Is ρV a reliable measure of atom probability in small volumes?

In summary, the conversation discusses the use of statistical mechanics to determine the probability of finding an atom in a small volume in a metal with a given density. The concept of density as an averaged quantity and its implications for calculating probabilities is also brought up. The fundamental assumption of statistical mechanics and its effectiveness in predicting physical processes is mentioned, as well as the alternative approach of solving multi-particle wavefunctions from quantum mechanics. The use of statistical mechanics in the study of solids, with a focus on ideal gas laws and Fermi-Dirac statistics, is suggested as a potential solution. A dissertation on the topic is also referenced for further study.
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Suppose you have a metal with some given density ρ. Now we all know that density is a kind averaged quantity, which only makes sense for large enough volumes to contain fluctuations across the microscopic world.
Now in an exercise, I am asked what is the probability to find an atom in a very small volume V- so small that the product ρV is very small. Is ρV then a measure of the probability of finding an atom in the volume V or is it complicated by the fact that density is an averaged quantity?
 
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Usually when we look at small volumes in thermodynamics, we are still looking at "big" volumes in comparison to the size of atoms and molecules. So, even though the volume element is "small" in comparison to the total volume, it is big enough that averages still make sense, so that our "micro system" is still internally in equilibrium.
 
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But in this context I am interested in a volume smaller than this. Does it make sense to talk of a probability?
For instance suppose my atom density is one mole per cubic centimeter. Is the probability to find one atom in 1cubic cm / 1 mole then 1 or how can it be translated into a probability?
 
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You can use statistical mechanics to do this problem. You basically get a phase space, and a distribution on that phase space to obtain probabilities. However, you should note that the fundamental assumption of statistical mechanics is that all possibilities (microstates) in equilibrium are equally probable. This is just an assumption! (Which works remarkably well for almost all physical processes that we care about). If you want an answer that is NOT based off of this assumption, you might have to try to actually solve the multi-particle wavefunctions from quantum mechanics, but this is typically very (impossibly) difficult due to the extremely large number of particles involved.
 
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Matterwave is correct in that your looking for statistical mechanics of solids, this is a lengthy subject that requires a good understanding of ideal gas laws. the Fermi-Dirac statistics are applicable to metals, you can possibly use Einstein solids or Boltzmann statistics.

I'm not positive which form will best apply in your example, but it should give you something to go on. However this dissertation may help

http://etd.library.vanderbilt.edu/available/etd-07302007-130108/unrestricted/01dissertationYing.pdf

still studying it myself, My interest in statistics are more geared to Cosmology applications. Hope this helps
 

Related to Is ρV a reliable measure of atom probability in small volumes?

1. What is probability?

Probability is a measure of the likelihood of an event occurring. It is expressed as a number between 0 and 1, where 0 indicates impossibility and 1 indicates certainty.

2. How is probability calculated?

Probability is calculated by dividing the number of desired outcomes by the total number of possible outcomes. This is also known as the "frequentist" approach to probability.

3. What is the difference between theoretical and experimental probability?

Theoretical probability is based on mathematical calculations and assumes that all outcomes are equally likely. Experimental probability is based on actual observations and may differ from theoretical probability due to chance or bias.

4. What is density?

Density is a measure of how much mass is contained in a given volume of a substance. It is typically expressed in units of mass per unit volume, such as grams per cubic centimeter.

5. How is density related to probability?

Density and probability are related through the concept of probability density, which is a measure of the likelihood of a continuous variable falling within a specific range. Probability density is often used in statistics and can be calculated using mathematical functions such as the normal distribution.

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