Variable separation - Schrödinger equation

In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of seeking a solution to the general time-independent Schrodinger equation using variable separation in spherical coordinates. It is stated that this method only works if the Hamiltonian is separable in spherical coordinates, and an example is given of a situation where this is not possible. The conversation also mentions the use of coordinate transformations to make the differential equation separable and the fact that symmetry is not necessary, only separability. It is noted that there are many real situations where this method can be applied.
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Konte
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Hello everybody,

My question is about variable separation applied in the solution of general time-independent Schrodinger equation, expressed with spherical coordinates as:

[itex] \hat{H} \psi (r,\theta,\phi) = E \psi (r,\theta,\phi)[/itex]

Is it always possible (theoretically) to seek a solution such as:

[itex] \psi (r,\theta,\phi) = R(r) . \Theta(\theta).\Phi(\phi)[/itex]

Thank you everybody.

Konte
 
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Konte said:
Is it always possible (theoretically) to seek a solution such as:

Ψ(r,θ,φ) = R(r).Θ(θ).Φ(φ)
No. It only works if the Hamiltonian is separable in spherical coordinates. It wouldn't work for example for a 3D anisotropic harmonic oscillator.
 
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DrClaude said:
No. It only works if the Hamiltonian is separable in spherical coordinates. It wouldn't work for example for a 3D anisotropic harmonic oscillator.

Thanks for your answer.

Is there a way to find or to construct a system of coordinate so that the split of Ψ is possible?

Konte
 
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There is no general rule to apply what kind coordinate transform on the Cartesian Schroedinger equation in order to be separable in the new coordinate system. The coordinate transform must be sought for each form of Schroedinger equation, for example the Hamiltonian of hydrogen atom in the presence of DC electric field (Stark effect) can be transformed into parabolic coordinate to make the differential equation separable. Other form of Schroedinger equation will almost always require different transform.
 
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Only if the Hamiltonian is spherically symmetric. (This generally means that the Potential is also spherically symmetric).
 
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Jilang said:
Only if the Hamiltonian is spherically symmetric. (This generally means that the Potential is also spherically symmetric).
That's not true: symmetry is not necessary, only separability. If ##V(r,\theta,\phi) = \cos^2\theta##, one can still write eigenstates as ##\psi (r,\theta,\phi) = R(r) \Theta(\theta) \Phi(\phi)##.
 
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Are there many real situations like that?
 
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Jilang said:
Are there many real situations like that?
Yes. The example I gave comes from the interaction of a linear molecule with a linearly-polarized laser field. You get similar potentials with (separable) angular dependence for uniform electric or magnetic fields.
 
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Accepted. So generally not occurring naturally and more generally.
 

Related to Variable separation - Schrödinger equation

1. What is the Schrödinger equation?

The Schrödinger equation is a fundamental equation in quantum mechanics that describes the evolution of a quantum system over time. It was developed by Austrian physicist Erwin Schrödinger in 1926 and is used to calculate the wave function of a particle in a given system.

2. What is variable separation in the context of the Schrödinger equation?

Variable separation is a mathematical method used to solve the Schrödinger equation. It involves separating the variables in the equation (usually time and position) and solving for each variable separately. This allows for a more simplified solution and helps in understanding the behavior of the system.

3. How does variable separation work?

To use variable separation on the Schrödinger equation, we first express the wave function as a product of two separate functions: one that depends only on time and one that depends only on position. Then, we substitute this into the Schrödinger equation and solve for each variable separately. The final solution is a combination of these two solutions.

4. What are the advantages of using variable separation in solving the Schrödinger equation?

Variable separation allows for a more simplified solution to the Schrödinger equation and helps in understanding the behavior of a quantum system. It also allows for the identification of key variables and their effects on the system, making it a useful tool for studying quantum systems.

5. Are there any limitations to using variable separation in solving the Schrödinger equation?

While variable separation is a useful method for solving the Schrödinger equation, it is not applicable to all systems. It can only be used for systems that are separable, meaning that the wave function can be expressed as a product of two separate functions. Additionally, variable separation may not provide an accurate solution for more complex systems, and other methods may need to be used.

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