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Old Nov3-09, 08:18 AM       Last edited by Bob_for_short; Nov3-09 at 09:48 AM..            #17
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Re: Who is most respected in particle physics?

Originally Posted by MTd2 View Post
You should go to a conference on new approaches to renormalization and expose your ideas. Garrett Lisi got grants by doing something similar.
Thanks for names and advice. I am rather busy at work, not that free to go where I like and do what I like, unfortunately. I've got to break free in order to get donw to my project entirely.
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Old Nov3-09, 11:02 AM       Last edited by marcus; Nov3-09 at 03:17 PM..            #18
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Re: Who is most respected in particle physics?

Originally Posted by Bob_for_short View Post
...Could you name several names of senior, experienced theoretical particle physicists who are highly respected, please?
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My nomination (adding to people already mentioned by others) would be Lance Dixon at SLAC-Stanford.

http://www.slac.stanford.edu/slac/fa...lty/dixon.html

http://www.slac.stanford.edu/~lance/

I have several reservations about adding this name to your list. One is that I'm the wrong person to ask, since not being an insider myself, I can't claim to know who is highly respected in particle physics.
Another problem is that, although we can tell you names of "senior, experienced theoretical particle physicists who are highly respected", these will not necessarily be suitable people for you to write to for the purpose you have in mind!

You say you are trying for a position in the USA. I think maybe you should get a rec from at least one mainstream USA particle theorist. Also senior is good, but not too senior. A very old famous guy may have already in his life received too many dubious-appeal letters or have already helped too many near-desperate struggling colleagues. So very old might work but is risky.

So I say Lance for 3 reasons.
Lance is absolutely mainstream
Lance is USA
Lance is still fairly young (although already known and respected.)

Michael Peskin, also at SLAC-Stanford, is of course well-known too, and of about the right generation. I have the impression that he has an odd (maybe even congenial to you) sense of humor.
Here is his homepage:
http://www.slac.stanford.edu/~mpeskin/
It has this beautiful quote from a Classical Chinese story:
`Whereever you go', said the Patriarch, `I'm convinced you'll come to no good. So remember, when you get into trouble, I absolutely forbid you to say that you are my disciple. If you give a hint of any such thing I shall flay you alive, break all your bones, and banish your soul to the Place of Ninefold Darkness, where it will remain for ten thousand aeons.' `I certainly won't venture to say a word about you,' promised Monkey. `I'll say I found it all out for myself.'
--from A Journey to the West, by Cheng-En Wu, tr. by Arthur Waley
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Old Nov3-09, 11:11 AM       Last edited by Bob_for_short; Nov4-09 at 06:53 AM..            #19
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Re: Who is most respected in particle physics?

Thanks, Marcus.

I have already been explained how the selection process is carried out. Nobody cares what the research program one presents - because there is no sufficiently competent people amongst those who make decision. The only things they take into account are RLs. They rely upon them. It is not wise to present RLs from unknown people. It makes my task much harder.
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Old Nov3-09, 03:16 PM                  #20
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Re: Who is most respected in particle physics?

You have to make it with the few competent people amongst those who make decision then.
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Old Nov3-09, 03:24 PM                  #21
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Re: Who is most respected in particle physics?

As I said, I am too far away from the laboratory with that post. I will follow the general rules displayed for candidates. Thank you all for your kind participation in this thread!
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Old Nov4-09, 03:07 AM                  #22
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Considering your ideas of a Lagrangian for replacing QED don't even reduce to Maxwell's equations, I think you better work on your idea a lot more before approaching people so high up in the field. Before even getting into details, the broad strokes of your approach don't seem motivated well at all. Heck even as a physics student I sometimes receive unsolicited emails about some crackpot theory. I'm sure it gets much worse for people higher in academia. If you aren't careful, your ideas will be lost and lumped into such emails.

Your writing style also, unfortunately, comes off as crackpottish due to the ratio of complaints against mainstream theory to actual content, and also the absolutism of the phrasing. All in all, cleaning up your paper so that someone can skim it and understand what you are claiming would be great.

All you seem to really be doing is proposing a different Lagrangian ... put that front and center. Many physicists can read the majority of the physical content off of a Lagrangian themselves. If your trial lagrangian has the correct classical limits and interesting features, they will be much more inclined to read the intro and conclusion (and maybe even skim or read the whole paper).

Since all you are really doing is just proposing a different Lagrangian and claiming it is _exact_ instead of approximate and therefore doesn't need regulating, I can't help but ask: Do you really think something as fundemental as electrodynamics has been using the wrong lagrangian all these years and you were the one that came up with the correct one?

The first thing people will ask for is, at the very least, experimental post-diction.
If your theory is better than QED, can you derive the anomolous magnetic moment of the electron with your theory?
Considering your theory doesn't even reduce to Maxwell's equations, I think that would be very very unlikely.
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Old Nov4-09, 04:04 AM       Last edited by Bob_for_short; Nov4-09 at 05:58 AM..            #23
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Re: Who is most respected in particle physics?

Dear JustinLevy,

I gave my answers to your post in the "Independent Research" section.
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Old Nov4-09, 05:54 AM                  #24
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I find it highly uncommon (almost impossible) to get recommendation letters from someone you have never interacted with before, no matter if you send them your theory/project, and how good it may sound.

Recommendation letters are usually written to former students, postdocs, etc, with whom the advisor had full contact, who know the candidate very well and his/her capabilities. The recommendation letter must show for how long the candidate worked with the advisor/teacher/employer, so it must show not only his/her competency and potential in his/her field, prior experience, etc, but many other skills like communication, interaction with others, reliability, etc, that is, qualities that can only be judged for a long previous personal interaction.

Some people may find very inconvenient to be asked to write such a letter without knowing the person on those grounds, so it may well pose a negative weight on you. Also, some recommendation letters are requested to send closed and directly to the employer, without you having the chance to see it.

Having said that, I'm curious if you can get those letters, so please let us know if you are successful.
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Old Nov4-09, 05:57 AM                  #25
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BTW, if it was all that simple (to get recommendation letters from "important people" that you never personally knew), I can only wonder about the so many opportunities lost in my life.
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Old Nov4-09, 06:33 AM       Last edited by Bob_for_short; Nov4-09 at 07:00 AM..            #26
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Re: Who is most respected in particle physics?

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I find it highly uncommon (almost impossible) to get recommendation letters from someone you have never interacted with before, no matter if you send them your theory/project, and how good it may sound.
Indeed, it is not that easy at all, and I never said it would be a piece of cake.

In 1994 I tried to go to the USA as a graduate student in order to fulfil my research program (or project) and I needed three RLs urgently. I found three people who agreed to read my publications and discuss my results and my project. (Of course, I contacted more people but not everybody was ready to do this.) And all the three gave positive responses - they discussed my results with me and wrote the RLs. One of them, a Doctor of Mathematics from the Moscow State University, was the most strict: he pointed out that my way of presenting the results is of physical rather than mathematical level of rigour and asked me to prove that my new perturbation series converge in a regular sense. And one Physics and Mathematics Doctor from Moscow Lebedev's Physical Institute (ФИАН, LPI) got so excited with my result in atomic physics that I had to calm him down in order to obtain a reasonable RL.

I was not accepted to graduate programs in the US universities because nobody wanted me to work on my own project. Normally the graduate students work with their leaders on the leader's projects.

And today I am quite conscious about a low probability of any response from those who was mentioned in this thread.
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Re: Who is most respected in particle physics?

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...nobody wanted me to work on my own project. Normally the graduate students work with their leaders on the leader's projects.
This is also my experience.

But I think is has to be the the problem of the advocate of the competing approach to show that it can outperform the main approach. Probably all the one working on the main approaches do so because it's what they find most promising, in which case it's still rational.

A problem is when rationality is compromised by these commercial drives that cause people to join the mainstrem jus in order to stay in business, which causes an excessive sociological-type "inertia" in the system that doesn't seem rational from a pure intellectual point of view. OTOH, it's still reality, which unfortuantely is a little more than only a intellectual advencture for it's own sake.

Can you aim at some of the generally acknowledge open question in physics?

I also have my own secret ideas but only post-dictions or other pure "reinterpretations" has no value to anyone else unless it can be shown to be a more successful way forward. Because it's exactly the same way I assess other programs. I see no other way but to secretly work this out on ones own at minimum until a point where it's MORE than just a matter of point of preferences. This is my strategy. I see several ways how to reach to several open problems, but I realise and accept that it's exclusively my problem to show this. If you can make clear statements about some open problems and how to test the statements, I suspect more attention should rightfully come.

If you don't make it, you have at least not sold yourself only to be part of a compromised game, and it has been a great time meanwhile.

If you current work drains you too badly, perhaps you can find another regular job that at least gives you an hour a night to think about something interesting?

/Fredrik
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Old Nov4-09, 09:36 AM                  #28
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Re: Who is most respected in particle physics?

Dear Fredrik,

I will answer you in my "Independent Research" thread, if you don't mind.
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Old Nov4-09, 01:54 PM                  #29
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Re: Who is most respected in particle physics?

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I find it highly uncommon (almost impossible) to get recommendation letters from someone you have never interacted with before, no matter if you send them your theory/project, and how good it may sound.
I agree. Like you said, letters are usually written by people who have worked closely with you for years.

Frankly, a letter that starts out with "...I have never met the candidate..." is unlikely to be given a large weight.
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Re: Who is most respected in particle physics?

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I agree. Like you said, letters are usually written by people who have worked closely with you for years.

Frankly, a letter that starts out with "...I have never met the candidate..." is unlikely to be given a large weight.
Do you read scientific articles of your mates solely? Frankly, are you serious?

I am an experienced researcher who have already solved lots of difficult problems and who has his own, original vision (proposal) of how we can reformulate out theories without conceptual and mathematical difficulties. Isn't it sufficient? Better give me names and let us see.
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Re: Who is most respected in particle physics?

My problem is not with "personally", but... are you going to write people whose papers YOU have not read?
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Old Nov4-09, 04:11 PM       Last edited by marcus; Nov5-09 at 02:03 AM..            #32
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Re: Who is most respected in particle physics?

Look at it in historical perspective for a moment. Kalitvianski says his career (as a mathematical physicist?) started in 1981-1982. I guess Moscow maybe. He has lived through the near-collapse of a major scientific establishment. People were taking desperate measures to relocate and continue their work. He tried to re-locate to USA and didn't make it but instead relocated to France. (If I remember correctly.) On the basis of rec letters from other Russian mathematicians who in some cases probably did not know him. Different standards probably prevailed in the S.U. crisis times of 20 years ago.

Most of us have not had that experience.

I have no great sympathy for Kalitvianski nor do I especially appreciate his proposed revolutionary theory but I reckon he is not a crackpot. I reckon he is a passionate obsessed guy who is very frustrated by a kind of "shipwreck" disaster that he thinks was not his fault--which washed him up on the beach to a job in France where he is kept busy and has no time to work on his pet idea. He maintains a certain gloomy sense of humor about it.

We have mostly all known NORMAL functioning scientific establishments. Many if not all of us, under other circumstances, could actually be thinking and acting like Kalitvianski, if we had a pet idea we wanted to develop and then the supporting economy crashed and the scientific establishment partially crumbled.

He feels a moral necessity to do something we consider abnormal---write to people he doesn't know, for their recommendations. Personally, given the circumstances, I think that's cool. I read that as passionate determination on the part of someone who (is probably not a crackpot and) has decided he has no other options.

Something I don't like is a kind of "chip on shoulder" mannerism or a readiness to air his grievances. But that is just a matter of style, not content. It is could be partly cultural (the famous gloomy fatalistic sense of humor---the well-known dark irony).
But if you ignore style and just look at content then I claim that what he is proposing to do is perfectly OK and we should suggest names to him and tell him to "go for it".

So what if he fails? If he fails, he fails and that is all. He has apparently reached a point where he feels like he has to try this. We might have good advice but he doesn't want that now.

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Bob, go for it. Write the letters! Give it your best shot. Do you want more names suggested?
What would be an example of a couple of people you think are the kind you should write to? Give us an idea of one or two and we can try to think of more LIKE the ones you think are good.
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