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Old Nov3-09, 08:53 AM                  #17
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What if you took the energy that is required for creating the suction, or heating the wing, and instead used it to provide more thrust to the engines? That would create additional lift as well, and be much simpler to implement.
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Old Nov3-09, 04:34 PM                  #18
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It can certainly be done......Why you would want to do that is another question....
It might be the start of a new type of transportation. Can it?
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Old Nov3-09, 06:56 PM                  #19
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Originally Posted by T.O.E Dream View Post
It might be the start of a new type of transportation. Can it?
......no.
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Old Nov3-09, 10:17 PM                  #20
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Originally Posted by T.O.E Dream View Post
I know that low pressure air is created when air moves fast, but what other ways are low pressure air made?
Depends why the air is moving fast. Take the simple case of a propeller, as the air passes through the virtual disk formed by the rotating prop it's speed isn't changed much, but the pressure is. The air ahead of the prop accelerates into the low pressure zone in front of the prop, then the pressure is increased, and the air continues to accelerate as it's pressure is reduced back to ambient.

When solids interact with fluids or gasses, both pressure and speed can be changed by that interaction. The exhaust from a jet engine is both high pressure and high speed.

For the fluid or gas flow outside of the region of interaction with a solid, that fluid or gas accelerate from higher pressure zones to lower pressure zones, and the relationship between the change in pressure versus change in speed can be converted into a relationship between static pressure and speed, and this relationship can be approximated by Bernoulli equation (Bernoulli doesn't take turbulent factors into account).

vacuums and wing holes
There are man made "flying saucer" type aircraft that use a set of propellers (vertical axis) located in holes around the aircraft. One of these was demoed at the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics.
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Old Nov4-09, 06:11 PM                  #21
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Can someone explain how sucking air through the holes creates lift?
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Old Nov4-09, 07:18 PM                  #22
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Originally Posted by T.O.E Dream View Post
Can someone explain how sucking air through the holes creates lift?
It doesn't. It was done to reduce drag. You can't violate Newtons second and third laws, force = mass x acceleration, forces only exist in equal and opposing pairs. To get lift, an aircraft has to generate a downwards force onto to the air, coexistant with the air exerting an opposing upwards force onto the aircraft. The downwards force applied to the air accelerates the air downwards (and/or compresses it if in ground effects).
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