Has America's Obsession with Power Created a Pearlescent Society?

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The discussion revolves around America's societal issues, particularly focusing on themes of power, materialism, and corruption. Participants explore various perspectives on the implications of these themes, referencing political figures and movements, as well as cultural phenomena.

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  • Some participants express concern over America's perceived obsession with power and materialism, suggesting it has led to a societal decline.
  • One participant proposes a radical solution involving isolation from society and strict rules against materialism and sexual relations, presenting it as a plan for salvation.
  • Several comments question the authenticity and seriousness of the claims made in the discussion, with some expressing disbelief and humor.
  • There are references to political figures and the influence of certain organizations, with discussions about the media's portrayal and historical context of these influences.
  • A participant introduces the concept of "pearlescence," linking it to societal corruption and suggesting a parallel between different levels of authority and the general populace.
  • Another participant humorously misinterprets "pearlescence" as "pestilence," indicating a mix of serious and light-hearted tones in the conversation.

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Participants generally express a shared concern about societal issues, but there is significant disagreement on the seriousness of the claims and the proposed solutions. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views and interpretations.

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Some claims rely on historical context and personal interpretations of political and social dynamics, which may not be universally accepted or verified. The discussion includes speculative elements and varying degrees of seriousness among participants.

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Has america gone completely bonkers?

http://www.gorenfeld.net/blog/2004/05/im-and-i-approve-this-messiah.html
http://gadflyer.com/articles/?ArticleID=131
 
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We Shall Overcome.

This world of ours is vile. I am a man with a plan. All who wish to be saved, join with me in a compound in rural Iowa. The End is coming soon! There are just a few simple, absolute rules for you to adhere to.

(1) Materialism is the source of evil. You must strip yourself of all wealth. I am prepared to take on the great burden of wealth, so I shall humbly receive your possessions as you lay them at my feet.

(2) Links to the outside world are forbidden. No televisions, radios, or Internet connections are allowed within the compound. A public address system will provide all the news that you will need to hear.

(3) Once you enter the compound, you shut yourself off from the wickedness outside. You must remain inside the barbed wire fencing at all times.

(4) There will be three-a-day services at which attendance is mandatory. We shall read from the Holy Book.

(5a) Sex is the other root of all evil. Under no circumstances shall sexual relations occur in the compound.

(5b) The only exception to rule (5a) is that females of childbearing age must keep a pager with themselves at all times, to make themselves available to His Most Holy Potentate of the Royal Order of the Godhead (that's me) at all times.
 
Was that big golden crown paid for with tax payers money?
 
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WTF? Is this for real?
 
Lol, too funny.
 
Are those movies for real !??!
 
Enjoy the truth while it lasts
 
Remember this, people, next time you see a "quote" from the Moonie Times.
 
Dissident Dan said:
WTF? Is this for real?

Sadly, yes.

Njorl
 
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Here is a site relating a discussion with representitive Davis. He has admitted to taking part. He is downplaying his involvement in a rather pointless manner. It doesn't matter though. As far as the mainstream media is concerned, Moon is just fine. I just don't understand how this guy can pour money into so many poitical campaigns and it never bites anybody in the ass.

http://www.capitolfax.com/
 
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Hard to evaluate the Davis thing. Hard to find any reliable sources of info on these guys, since, as Njorl noted, the mainstream media has pretty much ignored them for awhile. If true, is he on drugs or just dumb? Obviously hasn't considered the past history of Moon.

I think the media's grown kind of bored with Moon. 20, 30 years ago, he had a pretty close relationship with the president of S. Korea and a South Korean lobbyist. The church's foundation went beyond just Moon as the second coming. It also spelled out the role of NKorea (and its evil parents, China and the Soviet Union) and SKorea (and its good parents, Japan and the US) in the battle over whether good or evil would triumph in the world. The Moonies have always supported very conservative, anti-communist politicians and seemed to almost be an offshoot of a plan to ensure a large amount of foreign aid to protect SKorea from NKorea. It got a little bit of media coverage, since its membership practices were definitely cultish - give up all your money to the church and help them raise more money; convince your parents to send you more money that you can give to the church; etc.

The president got assassinated and there was a big congressional scandal over the money the lobbyist was distributing. Moon kept his church going and used church members as cheap labor for building up a small financial empire, which seems to have grown over the years. I think the issue of using the church members as cheap labor got them a little bit of media coverage, as well.

After the end of the cold war, I would have figured Moon would just be happy to rake in the profits from his companies and his cheap labor. I guess you still have China and NKorea to worry about, though.

I would think any serious politician, right or left wing, would keep as far away as possible from someone so out there on the fringe .
 
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This reminds of the website that has the oddest combination of being both one of the scariest and one of the funniest websites I've seen (thanks, somethingawful.com): http://www.dougmoon.com/
 
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My conclusion is, that yes America has gone bonkers. Nobody seems to care?

When they came for me there was nobody left ...
 
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Pearlescence. Signifies phase change.
 
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did you mean "pestilence"?

:-p
 
  • #16
Nope, pearlescence. A pearly look that substances get just before they go through a critical point, caused by self-similar activity at all scales. Thus the Abu Ghreib corruption is the same for the grunt and the general and the Secretary of Defense and the President, and if we believe Hitchens, for the American people.
 

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