Thermal/mechanical properties of matter

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Accurate weighing with a common balance requires a correction for air displacement due to buoyant forces acting on both the sample and the weights. The discussion highlights confusion regarding the relationship between thermal and mechanical properties, specifically referencing Archimedes' principle. Participants are attempting to derive the percentage error from neglecting air density when weighing water with platinum weights. The calculations involve comparing the densities of air, water, and platinum to determine the apparent versus real weight. The conversation emphasizes the need for clarity in problem statements to avoid misunderstandings.
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1)Explain why a correction must be applied for displacement of air in accurate weighing with a common balance.

Calculate the percentage error which would arise through neglect of this correction in weighing water with platinum weights of density 2.15x10^4 in air density 1.22. (units are kg and m)

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I'm not really sure what to do with this question, is the first part involving the non-uniform distribution of air and the resulting varying pressure or something? hmm. I've scanned a textbook i have access to, it's not very well up on thermal stuff and I can't get to library for a few days. beh. As for the second part, hints are welcome :rolleyes:
 
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Are u sure it's "thermal stuff" and not Archimede's buoyant force...?

Judging from the second problem,it would seem that way...

Daniel.
 
yeah me too, that's just what the problem sheet was titled. makes it a little more confusing. I still don't get it though.. :|
 
You mean "thermal/mechanical properties of matter"...?Neglecting complete vagueness of the phrase,i think the "mechanical" part would account for Archimede's buoyant force...:wink:

How about asking the dude/chick who gave the problem what on Earth was he/she meaning...

Daniel.
 
I am itching to give it a shot...

subscripts a, w and p correspond to air, water and platinum resp.
Buoyant force act on both sides of the scale.


v_w \rho _w - v_w\rho_a = v_p\rho_p - v_p\rho_a


\frac{v_w}{v_p} = \frac{(\rho_p - \rho_a)}{ \rho_w - \rho_a

real weight = \rho_w v_w

Apparent weight = v_w\rho_w - (v_w\rho_a - v_p\rho_a)

% diff = \frac{\rho_a}{ \rho_w}\left( \frac { \rho_p - \rho_w}{\rho_p - \rho_a} \right)


Does it sounds right?

edit: I was attempting to write the ratio of v_w/v_p by rearranging the first equation. It shows up OK in my preview page.
But shows error after submitting.
 
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The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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