Origin of the Universe: Created Universe vs Cyclical Universe

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the origins of the universe, exploring two primary theories: a created universe by a supernatural force and a cyclical universe characterized by eternal big bangs and crunches. Participants question whether these are the only explanations or if alternative theories exist.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the origin of the universe is best understood through theoretical and observational evidence, which may change over time.
  • There is acknowledgment of ongoing controversy between religious beliefs and scientific perspectives regarding the universe's origin.
  • One participant proposes a cyclical model of the universe that extends beyond just the concepts of big bang and big crunch.
  • Another participant critiques the poll's framing as a false dichotomy, arguing that both a supernatural creator and an eternal universe could coexist without contradiction.
  • Concerns are raised about the philosophical implications of un-testable cosmological theories, such as those involving multiverses.
  • Several participants mention the possibility of alternative theories beyond the two presented in the poll, including multiverse concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus reached on the origin of the universe. Some agree that the poll presents a false dichotomy, while others maintain differing perspectives on the role of supernatural forces and cyclical models.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of the discussion, particularly regarding the unobservable nature of certain cosmological theories and the provisional status of ideas that cannot be tested.

What do you think is the origin of the universe?

  • Cyclical Universe: The universe has been here for eternity, big banging and big crunching

    Votes: 5 19.2%
  • Created Universe: A supernatural force like a God or Goddess created the universe

    Votes: 4 15.4%
  • Both theories are valid in different ways

    Votes: 1 3.8%
  • The universe's origin cannot be explained with these theories, there are other better theories

    Votes: 14 53.8%
  • Not Sure

    Votes: 2 7.7%

  • Total voters
    26
Silverbackman
The two biggest causes of the universe cosmologists use is one of two theories. Either the Universe has been here for eternity and has been big banging and big crunching for eternity or some supernatural force (like a God or Goddess) created the universe. Which do you think explains the origin of the universe? Are these two the only way the universe came about, or are there other explanations?

Vote in the Poll and Discuss.
 
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The origin of the universe will allways be the best fit to, theoretical and
observational evidence available at the time of asking the queastion, other
than that it it is only personal prefference.
 
There is always going to be controversy over this- between the religious belifs and scientific beliefs. But I put in the first option (even though I'm not completely sure-maybe I should have selected the "not sure" option =P).
 
I think the universe is cyclical but not just Big Bang'n and Big Crunch'n.
 
The poll makes a false dichotomy between a universe created by "a supernatural force like a God or Goddess created the universe" and "The universe has been here for eternity, big banging and big crunching".
As most religions believe their God/ess to be eternal, there is no contradiction in both options being true so option 3 is very plausible.

However there are philosophical problems with the idea of un-testable cosmological postulates, such as that of other universes; any theory that depends on the unobservable is always to be considered provisional.

Perhaps there are alternatives other than these two. I vote for option 4.

Garth
 
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~angel~ said:
There is always going to be controversy over this- between the religious belifs and scientific beliefs. But I put in the first option (even though I'm not completely sure-maybe I should have selected the "not sure" option =P).

Well I don't think it is just about religion. Actually many Deists (like Einstein or founding fathers) believe there is a God that created the universe but there is not necessarily a doctrine to follow. So I guess it goes beyond religion, a creator I guess in this way can be used more as scietific term as well. Of course even if there is a God it does not prove the current doctrines on our planet to follow the God are right and could be made up.
 
other: multiverse/hierarchy
 
setAI said:
other: multiverse/hierarchy

Explain it more in detail if you can :wink:.
 
Garth said:
The poll makes a false dichotomy between a universe created by "a supernatural force like a God or Goddess created the universe" and "The universe has been here for eternity, big banging and big crunching".
Agree. Particularly since the mainstream scientific theory (Big Bang) does not necessarily include a Big Crunch.
 
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Silverbackman said:
Explain it more in detail if you can :wink:.
if I did- it would necissarily be a lie :wink:
 

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