Are rays from opposite sides of a hot spot of CMB parallel or not?

In summary, the conversation discusses how the curvature of the universe can be determined to be zero by studying the angular size of hot spots in the cosmic microwave background radiation. The analogy of a hall of mirrors is used to explain how the curvature of space can affect the paths of light rays. The conversation also clarifies that the rays from a distant object are only approximately parallel and can converge due to the curvature of space.
  • #1
alkmini
28
0
hello
I have a question:
i am trying to understand how we find out that the curvature of the universe is zero using the angular size of the hot spots of the d microwave background radiation.
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2012/07/18/how-big-is-the-entire-universe/
there is a picture in this blog showing the light rays from the opposite sides of the hot spots.
My question is: doesn't the proof that the curvature is zero require that the rays are parallel to each other? If they are parallel in a positively curved universe they converge. But in a flat one they should remain parallel and in a negatively curved they should diverge. Then, in the last two cases, how do they meet in the eye?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
Alkmini, The rays are not parallel in any of the examples.

Imagine being in a fairground hall of mirrors and looking at yourself. If you see yourself tall you know that the mirror is convex, if you see yourself small you know the mirror is concave, if you see yourself normal then you know that the mirror is straight. The blog is adopting the same approach (except it is a CMB hotspot that is being looked at and it is space that is curved instead of a mirror, and space is open / closed instead of concave / convex).

I hope that this helps.

Regards,

Noel.
 
  • #3
thank you so much Noel
I understand the similarity with the mirrors
but isn't it true that rays coming from a distant object are parallel?
 
  • #4
do you can consider the ENTIRE space between the spot and the eye as a mirror?
 
  • #5
alkmini said:
but isn't it true that rays coming from a distant object are parallel?

Rays from from the sources were sent out in all directions, just as our sun sends out rays in all directions. The two rays in question are the ones that happen to reach us, and are not parallel since they come from different positions, for the same reason that two sides of a nondegenerate triangle are necessarily not parallel.

Rays from a distant object are only approximately parallel if the size of the distant object is negligible compared to the distance to the object. As long as you are looking at pairs of different points in the CMB map this is no longer the case.
 
  • #6
Alkmini,

The rays are a very close approximation to parallel ...but not quite and because of the huge distances, the very small deviation from parallel allows them to converge. As a result the measurements need to be very accurate, which is why it take science the effort and time that it does

In relation to space, it is better to consider the entire space between the spot and the eye as a lens (but that lens equates to a mirror in my simple example) - but it is the entire space.

Regards,

Noel.
 
  • #7
thank you both Noel and Torquil for your explanations. they helped
 

Related to Are rays from opposite sides of a hot spot of CMB parallel or not?

1. What is a hot spot of CMB?

A hot spot of CMB (cosmic microwave background) is an area in the universe where there is a slightly higher concentration of microwave radiation than the surrounding space. This radiation is leftover from the Big Bang and is considered to be the oldest light in the universe.

2. What causes hot spots of CMB?

Hot spots of CMB are believed to be caused by the density fluctuations in the early universe, which have been stretched out over time due to the expansion of the universe. These fluctuations result in areas of slightly higher and lower density, with the hot spots being areas of higher density.

3. How do scientists measure the parallelism of rays from opposite sides of a hot spot of CMB?

Scientists use a technique called cosmic shear to measure the parallelism of rays from opposite sides of a hot spot of CMB. This involves studying the distortion of light from distant galaxies caused by the gravitational pull of the hot spot.

4. Why is it important to study the parallelism of rays from opposite sides of a hot spot of CMB?

Studying the parallelism of rays from opposite sides of a hot spot of CMB can provide valuable insights into the structure and evolution of the universe. It can also help us understand the effects of dark matter and dark energy, and potentially lead to a better understanding of the Big Bang.

5. What have scientists discovered about the parallelism of rays from opposite sides of a hot spot of CMB?

Recent studies have shown that rays from opposite sides of a hot spot of CMB are indeed parallel, providing further evidence for the theory of cosmic inflation - the rapid expansion of the universe in the first few moments after the Big Bang. This also supports the idea that the universe is homogeneous and isotropic on large scales.

Similar threads

Replies
8
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
13
Views
2K
  • Classical Physics
Replies
21
Views
1K
  • Other Physics Topics
Replies
0
Views
765
  • Beyond the Standard Models
Replies
33
Views
862
  • Advanced Physics Homework Help
Replies
9
Views
4K
Replies
46
Views
2K
Replies
29
Views
6K
Back
Top