Can a Bounded Function on a Rectangle be Integrable over Q?

In summary, the author suggests finding a dense subset of a rectangle in order to find a function that is not integrable over the rectangle.
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Homework Statement


Let [tex]Q=I\times I[/tex] (I=[0,1]) be a rectangle in [tex]R^2[/tex]. Find a real function [tex]f:Q\to R[/tex] such that the iterated integrals

[tex]\int_{x\in I} \int_{y\in I} f(x,y) \; and \int_{y\in I} \int_{x\in I} f(x,y)[/tex]
exists, but [tex]f[/tex] is not integrable over [tex]Q[/tex].

Edit: f is bounded

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The Attempt at a Solution


I am suggested to find a dense subset S of Q such that the intersection of S and each vertical/horizontal line contains at most one point. The most related idea once in my head was some space-filling curve, but it's probably not the right idea, since the function of the curve is, a little complicated...
Any hint? Thanks!
 
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An idea:

An ordinary multivariable calculus textbook might have an example (I found one). It is in the same spirit as the standard examples of functions that don't have limit at the origin even though the limits along paths do exist.

I can't yet figure out how the example was created, even though it works. Intuitively, I think the absolute value of the function behaves like 1/r^2, so that when you integrate r dr d\theta, you get 1/r near the origin. However, the function has enough "positive vs negative compensation" to get different finite iterated integrals.
 
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thank you. I don't find an example in textbooks yet but your idea sounds workable, in which f seems to be unbounded, and I'll try to figure it out... well, I forgot to tell that f is supposed to be bounded in my original question. Anyway it's helpful and thanks a lot.
 
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Are you required to use ordinary Lebesgue measure for integration with respect to x and with respect to y? Or can you use, say, counting measure for the integration with respect to y?
 
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Oh, this is what I know about measure: a set A has measure zero means there is a countable collection of open/or closed rectangle that covers A that the sum of the volumn of each rectangle is less than an arbitrary given epsilon.
my original goal is to construct the subset S of Q, then [tex]\chi_{S}[/tex] will be the desired function.
I'm wondering what the example is in your textbook...I haven't figured it out yet.
Thanks!
 
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OK, I think I understand. I assume "integrable" means "Riemann integrable."

Some incomplete ideas:

Similar to your space filling curve idea, how about a line of irrational slope through the unit square, and whenever it hits the top or the right, it wraps around to the bottom or left, respectively.

Would it work to take two of those lines, and take their intersections.

Or, let {x} denote the fractional part of x. A sequence like {n*sqrt(2)} is dense in the unit interval. Can you use this idea in two dimensions.

Or, instead of only allowing one point per horizontal (or vertical) line, allow a finite number of points. Then use a set like (1/2,1/2), (1/3,1/3), (1/3,2/3), (2/3,1/3), (2/3,2/3), (1/5,1/5),... using prime denominators.
 
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Thanks! the ideas are great, especially the last one, clear and efficient... well my space-filling-curve thought was...nasty... Thanks a lot!
 

Related to Can a Bounded Function on a Rectangle be Integrable over Q?

What is integrability on a rectangle?

Integrability on a rectangle refers to the ability of a function to be integrated over a rectangular region in a plane. It is a measure of how well-behaved a function is in terms of being able to calculate its definite integral over a specific area.

How do you determine if a function is integrable on a rectangle?

To determine if a function is integrable on a rectangle, we use the Riemann Integral. This involves dividing the rectangle into smaller sub-rectangles and calculating the area under the curve for each sub-rectangle. If the sum of these areas approaches a finite value as the number of sub-rectangles increases, then the function is considered integrable on the rectangle.

What is the significance of integrability on a rectangle?

Integrability on a rectangle is significant because it allows us to calculate the area under a curve, which has many real-world applications in fields such as physics, engineering, and economics. It also allows us to find the average value of a function over a specific area.

Can all functions be integrated on a rectangle?

No, not all functions are integrable on a rectangle. For a function to be integrable, it must be continuous on the given interval and have a finite number of discontinuities. It also cannot have any vertical asymptotes within the interval.

What is the difference between integrability on a rectangle and integrability on a general region?

Integrability on a rectangle is a specific case of integrability on a general region. In the case of a rectangle, the region is defined by two constant values for the x and y coordinates. In a general region, the boundaries may be defined by any function or curve, making the calculation of the integral more complex.

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