Curvature Definition and 920 Threads

In mathematics, curvature is any of several strongly related concepts in geometry. Intuitively, the curvature is the amount by which a curve deviates from being a straight line, or a surface deviates from being a plane.
For curves, the canonical example is that of a circle, which has a curvature equal to the reciprocal of its radius. Smaller circles bend more sharply, and hence have higher curvature. The curvature at a point of a differentiable curve is the curvature of its osculating circle, that is the circle that best approximates the curve near this point. The curvature of a straight line is zero. In contrast to the tangent, which is a vector quantity, the curvature at a point is typically a scalar quantity, that is, it is expressed by a single real number.
For surfaces (and, more generally for higher-dimensional manifolds), that are embedded in a Euclidean space, the concept of curvature is more complex, as it depends on the choice of a direction on the surface or manifold. This leads to the concepts of maximal curvature, minimal curvature, and mean curvature.
For Riemannian manifolds (of dimension at least two) that are not necessarily embedded in a Euclidean space, one can define the curvature intrinsically, that is without referring to an external space. See Curvature of Riemannian manifolds for the definition, which is done in terms of lengths of curves traced on the manifold, and expressed, using linear algebra, by the Riemann curvature tensor.

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  1. S

    Radius Of Curvature On A Beam

    Hey, hopefully this is a suitable forum to put this in! I've been having a bit of trouble trying to find an example to learn from about finding the raidus of curvature in a simply supported beam. I've got a point loads and a UDL to take into account and seem to find it near impossible to find...
  2. S

    Radius of Curvature in a simply supported beam

    Hey, hopefully this is a suitable forum to put this in! I've been having a bit of trouble trying to find an example to learn from about finding the raidus of curvature in a simply supported beam. I've got a point loads and a UDL to take into account and seem to find it near impossible to find...
  3. A

    Question on Curvature of Space

    Would it be possible to adjust for the curvature of space between 2 points and so by taking the shortcut (a true straight line) beat a light source in a race between the 2 points whilst traveling at less than light speed?
  4. Y

    What does curvature of spacetime really mean?

    I don't really get GR. Why should curved space and time be a model for gravity? To me, curved space means a observers no longer measure distances as sqrt(x^2+y^2+z^2), but rather, given an x-ordinate, y-ordinate and z-ordinate, the length of the shortest path to that coordinate can be calculated...
  5. B

    Compute the curvature of the evolute

    Homework Statement Let ?(t):I?R^2 be a C^4 curve with nonvanishing curvature. Show that is evolute ?(t)=?(t)+r(t)N(t) is a regular curve which also has nonvanishing curvature. where r(t) = 1/k(t) is the radues of curvature of ? Homework Equations k(t)=|T'|/|?'| T=?'/|?'| N(t)=T'/|T'|...
  6. H

    Find Maximum Curvature of Line With Parametric Equations

    I'm having trouble finding the point of the maximum curvature of the line with parametric equations of: x = 5cos(t), and y = 3sin(t). I know the curvature "k" is given by the eq.: k = |v X a|/ v^3 Where v is the derivative of the position vector r = <5cos(t), 3sin(t) > , a is the...
  7. Bob Walance

    Dr. Robert Forward's curvature gradient detector

    In a response by Pervect to another topic, he mentioned a device called a Forward mass detector, named after its inventor Dr. Robert Forward. It's an intersting device with the claim that it can detect small gradients in the curvature of spacetime. I couldn't find any info regarding...
  8. I

    Describing Curvature of a Non-Uniform Curve Using Second Derivative Average?

    suppose a curve is not uniformly curved and i would like to describe how "curvy" a segment of this curve is? how would i do to this? i imagine i can take the second derivative and find the average of it over the entire segment and the closer the average is to zero the straight the segment is but...
  9. Bob Walance

    Gradients in the curvature of space-time

    Greetings all. This is my first post. I'm a newbie to general relativity, but I think I'm getting the hang of it thanks to some helpful professors at UC Berkeley. From what I understand, and now fully believe, there are no external forces applied to an object that is free falling in...
  10. PhanthomJay

    Does Spacetime Curve Into Hidden Dimensions? Understanding Curvature

    That famous experiment during a solar eclipse, which showed the curvature of light from a star as the light rays passed by the sun, pretty much I gather confirmed Einstein's space time curvature theory. Question: Does spacetime curve into one of those hidden spatial dimensions that M-theory...
  11. N

    Space-Time Curvature: Sun & Earth Pulled Together with Equal Force

    Due to mass Space time curves. Consider the case of sun & earth. Sun,since it is heavy will curve the space more than earth.isn't it? Then how come the sun and Earth are being pulled towards each other with same force? The Earth has to straighten the curve (caused by sun)first,and then has...
  12. L

    Gravitons and gravity vs curvature of space-time.

    Hey, I've been a little confused on the concept of gravitons. I know that they are the messenger particle of the gravitational force, but I thought that gravity was a result of the warping of the fabric of spacetime. If a large star warps spacetime, therefore attracting things around it, then...
  13. E

    Radius of Curvature of Bimetallic Strip

    Homework Statement A temperature controller, designed to work in a steam environment, involves a bimetallic strip constructed of brass and steel, connected at their ends by rivets. Each of the metals is t thick. At 20 degrees C, the strip is L0 long and straight. Find the radius of curvature...
  14. L

    Is Space-Time Curvature Zero Inside a Spherical Cavity at Earth's Center?

    Inside a spherical cavity centered at the Earth's centre, the space-time curvature is 0 or =/= 0? I know Newtonian gravitational field is omogeneously 0, so no field variation, but does GR give a different answer?
  15. S

    Energy-mom tensor does not determine curvature tensor uniquely ?

    Energy-mom tensor does not determine curvature tensor uniquely ? If the energy momentum tensor is known, that fixes the Einstein tensor uniquely from the Einstein eqs. Einstein tensor is built from Riemann contractions so it doesn't fix Riemann uniquely. Does that mean a single energy momentum...
  16. U

    Can space-time curvature be applied to artificial satellites.

    I do wonder if space-time curvature can be applied to artificial satellites ... I think yes because that could be the reason why they are revolving around earth. Doubt:But what happens if they gain velocity more than the escape velocity. I could be conceptually wrong but if the above...
  17. C

    From the scalar of curvature (Newman-Penrose formalism) to the Ricci scalar

    I calculate trace-free Ricci scalars (Phi00, Phi01,Phi02, etc) and scalar of curvature (Lambda=R/24) in Newman-Penrose formalism using a computer package. How can I find the Ricci scalar out of them? I though R was the Ricci scalar but Lambda comes non-zero for a spacetime whose Ricci scalar is...
  18. T

    Proving Curvature at Point (a,f(a))

    hallow everyone i am a tenth-grade student in Taiwan.What i want to know is that how to proove the curvature at point (a,(f(a))(assume f(x) is smooth at this point) is f"(a)/(1+f'(a)^2)^(3/2)) i've thought this way:consider a circle first in this circle the curvature at point P is lim...
  19. K

    What is the formula for defining curvature on three-dimensional surfaces?

    How do you define curvature for curves on three-dimensional surfaces when the surface is given in the form z=f(x,y)? The resulting formula should be a lot simpler than the one for parametric curves of the form r(t)=(x(t),y(t),z(t)), like it becomes for two-dimensional curves given by y=f(x)...
  20. K

    How Does Scale Factor Affect Objects in Expanding Universe?

    I will be writing my final exam tomorrow evening, and I am currently terribly stuck on the following practice problems. I have posted my thoughts below each problem. They look tricky to me. It would be very nice if someone could help me out and I will remain eternally grateful for your help...
  21. M

    :frown: Normal curvature integral proof

    Homework Statement I need to show that the mean curvature H at p \in S given by H = \frac{1}{\pi} \cdot \int_{0}^{\pi} k_n{\theta} d \theta where k_n{\theta} is the mean curvature at p along a direction makin an angle theta with a fixed direction. Homework Equations I know...
  22. jal

    ‘Limiting Curvature Construction’-minimum length

    ‘Limiting Curvature Construction’ Using two dimensions to get at an understanding of minimum length is not limited to what I have been doing. “Strings” uses ‘Limiting Curvature Construction’. Since, quantum black holes are a possibilities at CERN then these approaches need to be revisited and...
  23. D

    Primodial Curvature Perturbation Equation

    This equation gives us (delta (rho))/rho (which I understand is the fractional perturbation in the energy density), at the time of "horizon entry" (which I'm unsure about). Does this mean the time that decoupling occured?
  24. S

    Can the Laplacian of a Scalar Field be Considered as its Curvature?

    Can the laplacian of a scalar field be throught of as its curvature (either approximately or exactly)?
  25. D

    Prove: The Frenet Formula for Torsion & Curvature

    Homework Statement Suppose \alpha is a regular curve in \mathbb{R}^3 with arc-length parametrization such that the torsion \tau(s)\neq 0, and suppose that there is a vector Y\in \mathbb{R}^3 such that <\alpha',Y>=A for some constant A. Show that \frac{k(s)}{\tau(s)}=B for some constant B...
  26. J

    Understanding Spacetime Curvature: Exploring the Effects on Matter/Energy

    This may be a simple question for some of you but it has baffled me for a long time. When we say that spacetime is curved, do we mean that from a flat space of a higher dimension, our spacetime would appear curved, in the same way that the surface of a sphere looks curved when viewed from...
  27. M

    Curvature and Geodesics in Space-Time: A Question on Photon Paths

    Consider a photon emitted at space-time event E1 and absorbed at space-time event E2 in curved space-time. Since the arc length of the worldline between both events is 0 how can we, with validity, claim that such a path is curved in space-time? Does it not seem to be more correct to claim...
  28. S

    How are fiber bundles and associated vector bundles used in physics?

    Hi folks. I am a mathematician and my research is on the curvature equation D(\gamma) = F where \gamma is a Lie-algebra valued one-form and F is a Lie-algebra-valued 2-form. I want a very rough idea how fiber bundles and associated vector bundles are used in physics. I've tried...
  29. M

    Space-Time Curvature in General Relativity

    Is it accurate to claim that space-time curvature in general relativity means a curvature of a space-time with a Minkowski pseudo-metric?
  30. F

    Question on infinite curvature of the universe

    Ok, so I don't know much about general relativity or quantum mechanics but, if gravity effects everything in the universe, and if Heisenberg's uncertainty principle makes it so that you can not have truly empty space (so every point of space has to have some sort of particle occupying it, bc if...
  31. P

    Solving for a unit speed curve given curvature and torsion (diff. geo)

    Homework Statement Find the unit speed curve alpha(s) with k(s)=1/(1+s^2) and tau defined as 0. Homework Equations Use the Frenet-Serret equations K(s) is the curvature and tau is the torsion T= tangent vector field (1st derivative of alpha vector) N= Normal vector field (T'/k(s))...
  32. P

    Understanding Curvature in a Graph

    Homework Statement Find the curvature of y = x³ Homework Equations k(x) = \frac{f"(x)}{[1+(f'(x))²]^{3/2} The Attempt at a Solution k(x) = \frac{6x}{(1+9x^4)^{3/2} I got the answer numerically, but I am looking for an explanation of the graph itself. I chose a relatively easy...
  33. A

    Proving Curvature Circle Theorem: c = \kappa=\frac{1}{r}, E(s)=C(s)+rN(s)

    Here is the problem: Show that if c is a curve with \kappa=\frac{1}{r} (r is a positive constant) that c is moving on a circle of radius r. He gives a hunt to use the formula E(s)=C(s)+rN(s). I don't know where he got this equations and I have no idea what the function E is supposed to...
  34. K

    Is the schwarzchild radius a radius of curvature?

    EDIT: Is the Schwarzschild coordinate a radius of curvature in the geodesic? And also, in physics, what do I make of a negative radius of curvature?
  35. S

    Curvature of Time: How Do We Experience It?

    We can all see what curvature of space looks like, just by throwing a ball and watching it follow the natural geodesic. But what does curvature of time look like? How do we experience it? We typically experience the passage of time in what seems to be a forward linear manner. The...
  36. J

    Black Holes, Quantum Gravity and the Curvature of spacetime

    What is Quantum Gravity and the Curvature of Spacetime and how is it all relevant to one another?
  37. L

    By the way, in GR, where does the need for curvature come from ?

    I understand why it is so desirable to be able to write all the laws of physics by the same rule in any system of coordinates. I also nearly understand that the equivalence principle leads to the need of curved spacetime. But how to make that as obvious as possible? Thanks, Michel
  38. N

    Radius of Curvature of Convex Mirror: -17.39 cm

    A real object is placed at the zero end of a meterstick. A large concave mirror at the 100 cm end of the meterstuck forms an image of the object at the 82.4 cm position. A small convex mirror placed at the 20 cm pisition form a final image at the 6.3 cm point. What is the radius of curvature of...
  39. A

    Hypersurfaces with vanishing extrinsic curvature

    Could anyone share insights/results/references on hypersurfaces with vanishing extrinsic curvature? In particular, I would be interested in results related to existence (do they always exist, if not when do they exist?) and procedures for constructing them from the background geometry.
  40. P

    Problem-Smallest radius of curvature

    I've been stuck on this for ages and would appreciate help on how to do it: On a train, the magnitude of the acceleration experienced by the passengers is limited to 0.050g.If the train is going round a curve at a speed of 220km/hr what's the smallest radius of curvature that the curve can...
  41. N

    Can Spacetime Curvature Exist Independently of Mass?

    Einsteins field equations are nonlinear. One could interpret this to mean that curvature is itself the source of curvature (thus not only mass). Would it be possible to find a stationary (non-zero) solution of the (non-linearised) field equations without a mass being present - a kind of...
  42. H

    Dark Energy & Curvature of Spacetime

    General relativity says that the gravitational "field" is just the warping of space by mass. I like to think of the ball on the trampoline analogy. Is dark energy, basically negative pressure, be caused by the natural curvature of spacetime? http://www.geocities.com/ixi_dima_ixi/gr.JPG
  43. P

    Infinite Curvature: Understanding Black Holes

    What does it mean for something to have an infinite curvature (like a black hole?)?
  44. Q

    Gravity's Effect on Light: Spacetime Curvature Facts

    I was wondering, how does light bend in very intense gravitational fields, if it has no weight? And does anyone have a good source for facts on spacetime curvature, gravity and such? Thanks
  45. R

    Geodesic Curvature (Curvature of a curve)

    Can anyone point me to good reference that fully develops the geometry of geodesic curvature? Most of the ones I have manage to derive it, then show it's the normal to the curve, then never mention it again. I want to know how it relates to the metric, first second or third. Thanks.
  46. M

    Tangent, Normal, Binormal, Curvature, Torsion

    Okay, so I was asked to find all the things listed in the topic title given the equation: r(t)=(cos^{3}t)\vec{i} + (sin^{3}t)\vec{j} Now this is a lot of work, especially when it comes to finding the torsion \tau = - \frac{d \vec{B}}{ds} \cdot \vec{N} a total of four derivitives. Maybe I am...
  47. S

    Understanding Ricci and K Curvature in 2 Dimensions: A Simple Explanation

    Hi, In two dimensions I am under the impression that the ricci tensor or the scalar curvature equals the negative of the fundamental tensor and the sectional curvature (K). I'd have written it out with the proper symbols but I am new to this forum and this isn't at least a complex question...
  48. H

    How Do You Calculate the Radius of Curvature for a Mirror?

    :confused: Can anyone explain what i am doing wrong? I thought the radius of curvature is 2 x the distance from mirror.. A mirror produces an image magnified by 1.5 when your face is 29 cm from the mirror. What is the radius of curvature? I thought it would be .29m x 2 = .58m... but that...
  49. S

    What is the relationship between Ricci and K in two dimensions?

    Hi, In two dimensions I am under the impression that the ricci tensor or the scalar curvature equals the negative of the fundamental tensor and the sectional curvature (K). I'd have written it out with the proper symbols but I am new to this forum and this isn't at least a complex question...
  50. K

    Radius of curvature of a Projectile

    Hi, A particle is projeted with a velocity 'u' at an angle \theta with the horizontal. Find the radius of curvature of the parabola traced out by the particle at the point where the velocity makes an angle \theta/2 with the horizontal. I got u^2/gcos\theta/2 but my book gives a different...
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