A concept from calculus that has always bothered me

In summary, the conversation discusses the use of the constant of integration in integrals and anti-derivatives. The participants mention that the constant is usually written out in textbooks and in definite integrals with initial conditions, but it can be omitted in indefinite integrals. The use of different variables and notation is also brought up. Overall, the participants agree that including the constant is necessary in some cases, but can be omitted if it is implied.
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ronaldor9
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When one writes [tex]\int p(t) \, dt[/tex] is the constant of integration implied? I have always thought that it wasn't necessary to write [tex]\int p(t) \, dt +k[/tex]. However, in my diff. eq. book the constant is ussually written out, why is this so?

In addition the book also writes [tex]\int_{t_o}^t p(t) \, dt +k[/tex] isn't the constant here unnecessary since we now have the limits of integration included?
 
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  • #3
It's usually written because it's definite.

Suppose

[tex]
y ' = f(x, y(x)) \ , y(x_0) = y_0
[/tex]

It does seem logical to say that (assuming f is integratable)

[tex]
\int y' dx = \int f(x,y(x)) dx \rightarrow y = \int f(x,y(x)) dx + k
[/tex]

but since we have initial conditions, we can do better.

[tex]

\int_{x_0}^{x} y'(t) dt = \int_{x_0}^{x} f(t,y(t)) dt \rightarrow y - y_0 = \int_{x_0}^{x} f(t,y(t)) dt
[/tex]
Thus,
[tex]
y = \int_{x_0}^{x} f(t,y(t)) dt + y_0
[/tex]

Better?
 
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  • #4
Thanks l'Hopital
Why is the later form preferred over the first form?
 
  • #5
Simply because it actually involves the initial conditions.
 
  • #6
There is one part in my book where it writes [tex] R'(y)=Q(x_0,y) [/tex]
and then by integration [tex] R(y)=\int_{y_0}^y Q(x_0,y)\,dy[/tex].

Shouldn't theauthor here have included a constant at the end of the integral as you have written in you example?
 
  • #7
ronaldor9 said:
There is one part in my book where it writes [tex] R'(y)=Q(x_0,y) [/tex]
and then by integration [tex] R(y)=\int_{y_0}^y Q(x_0,y)\,dy[/tex].

Shouldn't theauthor here have included a constant at the end of the integral as you have written in you example?
Yes, because with that notation R(y0)= 0 which is not true for all anti-derivatives. I would also object to using "y" both as a limit of integration (and so outside the integral) and as the variable of integration. Much better would be either
[tex]R(y)= \int_{y_0}^y Q(x_0,t)dt+ C[/tex]
or
[tex]R(y)= \int^y Q(x_0, t)dt[/tex]
where we don't need the "C" because the lower limit of integration is left open.

If you write just
[tex]R(y)= \int Q(x_0,y)dy[/tex]
the usual notation for the "anti-derivative", the constant C is implied. You do not write it there. Of course, if you wrote
[tex]R(y)= \int y^2 dy= \frac{1}{3}y^2+ C[/tex]
The constant on the right is necessary.
 

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