Can someone explain to me work and potential energy and when they are

In summary, the conversation discusses the relationship between work and energy, with the Work-Energy Theorem stating that they are essentially the same thing. It is also noted that a negative change in kinetic energy relates to negative work, and this is due to the convention used in modern physics. The conservation of energy in a closed system is also mentioned, and it is shown that the work is defined as the change in kinetic energy, which is also equal to the negative change in potential energy. The conversation also briefly touches on the concept of scalar potential field and its relationship to work and energy.
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And when they are negative. I have grasped most of my textbook but this seemingly easy concept keeps going over my head. I'm in e and m right now but still can't understand why it is Vba= - integral a to b E times dl.
 
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1. The Work-Energy Theorem states that work and energy are really the same thing!

Work is defined as:

[itex]
W = \int \vec{F}\cdot d\vec{x}
[/itex]

Which we can prove is equivalent to (in a force-field free environment):

[itex]
W = \Delta KE
[/itex]

We know:

[itex]
\vec{F} = \frac{d\vec{p}}{dt}
[/itex]

with [itex]\vec{p}=m\vec{v}[/itex]. Then:

[itex]
\vec{F} = \frac{d}{dt} (m\vec{v})
[/itex]

Multiply both sides by [itex]\vec{v}[/itex]:

[itex]
\vec{F}\cdot\vec{v}=m\vec{v}\frac{d\vec{v}}{dt}
[/itex]

And we know [itex]\vec{v}=\frac{d\vec{x}}{dt}[/itex]:

[itex]
\vec{F}\cdot\frac{d\vec{x}}{dt}=m\vec{v}\frac{d\vec{v}}{dt}
[/itex]

Dropping the differential time:

[itex]\vec{F}\cdot d\vec{x} = mv\cdot dv
[/itex]

I've also dropped the vectors on the velocity, as [itex]\vec{v}[/itex] and [itex]d\vec{v}[/itex] are in the same direction. If we integrate both sides we find:

[itex]
W = \int{\vec{F}\cdot d\vec{x}} = \frac{1}{2} mv^2 = \Delta KE
[/itex]

2. From above you should notice that a negative change in kinetic energy relates to a negative work. This is all depending on the conventions used. Modern physics uses the convention that when the system loses energy, the work is negative.

For example: pushing a block along a surface. If the block was already moving towards you and you wanted to stop the block it would have to lose energy, and at the same time you would be gaining energy. If the block had large enough kinetic energy, you would move with the block (gaining energy). In fact, the block would be doing work on you, so in other words when the system does work on the force-provider, it is negative work.

3. Using the conservation of energy:

[itex]
\Delta KE + \Delta PE = 0
[/itex]

in a closed system. Therefore:

[itex]
\Delta KE = - \Delta PE
[/itex]

Which leads to the work being defined as:

[itex]
W = \Delta KE = -\Delta PE
[/itex]

So you can see that just by the convention that a system losing kinetic energy is negative work, we arrive to your original problem of why the potential energy is negative the integral of the force. It's there merely by convention and intuition about how things should work. If we look at the electric potential:

[itex]
V = k\frac{Q}{r}
[/itex]

We see:

[itex]
\frac{dV}{dr} = -\frac{kQ}{r^2} = -E
[/itex]

or:

[itex]
E(r) = -\frac{dV}{dr}
[/itex]

If we integrate both sides with respect to [itex]dr[/itex] from point a to point b:

[itex]
V(b)-V(a) = -\int\limits_a^b{E\cdot dr}
[/itex]

4. I'm not sure if you've done this yet in your class, but you will soon. The scalar potential field is conservative, so it doesn't matter which path you take, so you usually see the potential written as a terrifying line-integral:

[itex]
V(b)-V(a) = -\int\limits_C{\vec{E}\cdot d\vec{\ell}}
[/itex]
 

FAQ: Can someone explain to me work and potential energy and when they are

What is work?

Work is the measure of force applied over a distance. It is calculated by multiplying the force applied by the distance over which it is applied.

What is potential energy?

Potential energy is the energy an object possesses due to its position or condition. It is stored energy that can be converted into other forms of energy, such as kinetic energy.

How are work and potential energy related?

Work and potential energy are related because work can be used to change the potential energy of an object. For example, when work is done to lift an object, the potential energy of that object increases.

What is the difference between work and potential energy?

The main difference between work and potential energy is that work is a measure of the transfer of energy, while potential energy is a measure of stored energy. Work is an active process, while potential energy is a state of being.

Can you provide an example of work and potential energy in action?

One example of work and potential energy in action is a roller coaster. When the roller coaster is at the top of the hill, it has a high potential energy. As it goes down the hill, the potential energy is converted into kinetic energy, which is the energy of motion. The work done by gravity on the roller coaster car results in a change in its potential energy.

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