Classical mechanics energy and momentum

In summary, the conversation discusses approaches to solving problem 3.5 in Kleppner Kolenkow's "An Introduction to Mechanics" involving a circus acrobat of mass M and a trained monkey of mass m. The first approach uses the fact that the center of mass is at hm/(M+m) and the second approach uses energy conservation. However, the second approach is flawed as it does not account for the collision between the man and the monkey. The conversation also includes a hint for the first approach and ends with the decision to use a simpler approach involving dividing the problem into three steps.
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I try to solve the problem 3.5 in Kleppner Kolenkow ”An introduction to Mechanics” using various approaches but end up with wrong answers. The problem is:
3.5 A circus acrobat of mass M leaps straight up with initial velocity v0 from a trampoline. As he rises up he takes a trained monkey of mass m off a perch at a height h above the trampoline. What is the maximum height attained by the pair.


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At first I use the fact that the center of mass is at hm/(M+m). The velocity of the center of mass is v1 = Mv0/(M+m).
Since they reach a maximum height v2/2g + x0 the height attained is
xmax = v12/2g + hm/(M+m) = M2*v02/(M+m)2/2g + hm/(M+m)
The first term is right here. The second is not.

Secondly i use energy conservation:
Wbefore = mgh + Mv02/2
Wafter = (M+m)gxmax

This gives:
xmax = hm/(M+m)+Mv02/2(M+m)g

The right answer is v02M2/(M+m)2/2g+h(1- M2/(M+m)2)
I know how to get to the right answer, but what I need is an explanation of what laws of physics i don't obey.
 
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For the 2nd approach, it's obvious: mechanical energy is not conserved. When the man picks up the monkey, that's a "collision."

It's more subtle in the 1st approach. Hint: What's the assumption for the equation: x - xo = v2/2g? Further hint: the original one is actually
x - xo = v2/2a with the assumption that a = const.
 
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Thanks Hikaru!

I think I see. Below h you can show that dv/dt = -gM/(M+m), Whereas above h the acceleration is simply g. I think I will leave the center of mass approach. It is too complicated!

Instead I can divide it into three steps where in the first step the mass is M and in the last step the mass is M+m Then I can use the equations for constant acceleration.

In the energy case I can divide the problem into three steps where mechanical energy is conserved in the first and last step. In the second step I use momentum conservation of course.
 

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Classical mechanics is the branch of physics that deals with the motion of macroscopic objects at speeds much slower than the speed of light. It describes how forces act on objects and how they move in response to those forces.

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