Composition of Integrable functions - An attempt -

In summary, the conversation discusses finding an integrable function g(x) such that the composition of g and f is not integrable. The attempt at a solution presents a function g(x) = nx for all n in N, but the individual discussing the problem is unsure if this is the correct solution. They clarify that h(x) is not differentiable and mention that their previous objection was based on considering Lebesgue integrals instead of Riemann integrals. They continue to discuss the properties of h(x) and request further clarification on the correct solution.
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michonamona
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Homework Statement


Consider the following functions:

Modified Dirichlet Function
f(x) = 1/n if x=m/n of lowest forms, and f(x) = 0 if x is irrational

find an integrable function g(x) such that the composition of g and f is NOT integrable

The Attempt at a Solution



Let g(x) = nx for all n in N (natural numbers)

then
h(x) = g(f(x)) = n(1/n) = 1 if x is rational, and h(x) = g(f(x))= n(0) = 0 if x is irrationalMy g(x) is apparently incorrect. Can anyone tell me why?

I appreciate your help,

M

note: I already know the correct answer, I just need to confirm that the g(x) I came up with is incorrect.
 
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michonamona said:
Let g(x) = nx for all n in N (natural numbers)

I don't understand the function definition. Is it a function of both n and x, or what?

The other problem is that h(x) = 1 for x rational and 0 for x irrational IS integrable. The integral is zero.
 
  • #3
jbunniii said:
I don't understand the function definition. Is it a function of both n and x, or what?

The other problem is that h(x) = 1 for x rational and 0 for x irrational IS integrable. The integral is zero.

Thank you for your reply, excuse me for being unclear. The function I meant to have is:

[tex] g_{n}(x)=nx \;\forall \; n \in N [/tex]

So this is a linear function that's a ray from the origin. It is also getting steeper as [tex]n\rightarrow\infty[/tex]


To address your other question, h(x) IS NOT differentiable. The upper sums and lower sums will never meet for any partition P.

Thank you,

M
 
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michonamona said:
Thank you for your reply, excuse me for being unclear. The function I meant to have is:

[tex] g_{n}(x)=nx \;\forall \; n \in N [/tex]

So this is a linear function that's a ray from the origin. It is also getting steeper as [tex]n\rightarrow\infty[/tex]

OK, but that's a family of functions, not a single function. How are you composing it with f to obtain h?

To address your other question, h(x) IS NOT differentiable. The upper sums and lower sums will never meet for any partition P.

I assume you mean integrable, not differentiable. (Though it's certainly not differentiable.) Sorry, I assumed we were talking about Lebesgue integrals, not Riemann integrals. That function is a great example of one that is Lebesgue integrable, but not Riemann integrable.

So good, that removes my 2nd objection. If you can come up with a single function g such that h(x) = g(f(x)) then that will indeed solve the problem. But I don't see how your g (or rather, family of g's) works.
 

FAQ: Composition of Integrable functions - An attempt -

What is the definition of an integrable function?

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