Concept help. Friction, Work, Kinetic Energy

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of work and force in relation to two blocks of different masses being pushed at a constant rate. The question is which block has a greater net work acting on it. The participants consider the change in kinetic energy and the equal force applied to both blocks, but also question whether the distance traveled by each block could affect the amount of work done. Ultimately, more information is needed to determine the work done by the frictional surface.
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MRGE
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I've been debating with myself on a certain question.

For example,

Two blocks. Block A has mass M and the other Block was .5M or M/2 is pushed from rest with force F at a constant rate. (Let's say a hand pushing them for a period of time). There is friction on the surface. Block B travels further than Block A

Which block has a greater net Work acting on it?

Since the Change in Kinetic Energy is equal to Work, so

1/2mv^2 = F(displacement)

Since both blocks share the same Force acting on it, I think they both will have equal Work because even though block B will have less mass than block A, it's increased velocity will compensate. So basically, the Concept here to me is if you put the same amount of Force in two blocks with different mass, you will get the same amount of work done.

But than I also thought of,

Since Block B will travel further, and Force is the same for both blocks, than W = F(displacement) This will mean there is more work done on block B than on A.

They both make sense to me, a little help?
 
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MRGE said:
I've been debating with myself on a certain question.

For example,

Two blocks. Block A has mass M and the other Block was .5M or M/2 is pushed from rest with force F at a constant rate. (Let's say a hand pushing them for a period of time). There is friction on the surface. Block B travels further than Block A

Which block has a greater net Work acting on it?

Since the Change in Kinetic Energy is equal to Work, so

1/2mv^2 = F(displacement)

Since both blocks share the same Force acting on it, I think they both will have equal Work because even though block B will have less mass than block A, it's increased velocity will compensate. So basically, the Concept here to me is if you put the same amount of Force in two blocks with different mass, you will get the same amount of work done.
its increased velocity will more than compensate
But than I also thought of,

Since Block B will travel further, and Force is the same for both blocks, than W = F(displacement) This will mean there is more work done on block B than on A.

They both make sense to me, a little help?
Since you have apparently determined that B travels further under the same force applied over the same time, this one makes more sense.
 
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I think we need a bit more of information towards what you're proposing. Are you trying to describe a situation in which two blocks are pushed with an equal force over an equal time (say on a non friction surface) and then released (on a friction surface), what is the work done by the frictional surface?

If, for example, you want to say two brick are released with equal velocities on a surface then the answer is pretty immediate. First using
W=F*d
W=F*.5*v0^2/a
a=F/m
W=.5*m*v0^2
which is the same as we get from work energy theorem
W=∆KE=.5*m*v0^2

So in my example the more massive block takes more work to stop.
 
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FAQ: Concept help. Friction, Work, Kinetic Energy

What is friction?

Friction is a force that resists the relative motion between two surfaces that are in contact. It acts in the opposite direction of the motion and is caused by the irregularities and roughness of the surfaces in contact.

How does friction affect work?

Friction reduces the amount of work that can be done in a system. This is because some of the energy is lost as heat due to the resistance caused by friction. As a result, more work or energy input is required to achieve the same amount of work output.

What is work?

Work is the measure of energy transfer that occurs when a force is applied to an object and causes it to move in the direction of the force. It is calculated by multiplying the force applied by the distance the object moves in the direction of the force.

What is kinetic energy?

Kinetic energy is the energy possessed by an object due to its motion. It is dependent on the mass and velocity of the object, and is calculated by the formula KE = 1/2 * mv^2, where m is the mass and v is the velocity of the object.

How are friction, work, and kinetic energy related?

Friction affects the amount of work that can be done in a system, which in turn affects the kinetic energy of the object. As friction reduces the work done, it also reduces the kinetic energy of the object. Therefore, friction, work, and kinetic energy are all interconnected.

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