Distance not defined in phase spaces?

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In summary, the concept of distance between two points in a phase space is not meaningful as it is not a metric space. However, phase space serves as a useful tool for visualizing periodic phenomena and is represented by a complex plane. In Hamiltonian mechanics, phase space is characterized by a symplectic form and Poisson brackets, which are important for physics and symmetries. This structure also leads to quantization methods through representations of symmetries. For more information, see the Wikipedia page on Hamiltonian mechanics.
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is it meaningful to define a distance between two points in a phase space?

it is interesting that we can define volume in a phase space but not distance

it seems that it is useless to define the distance between two points as the euclidean distance.
 
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My teacher last semester claimed that a phase space is a convenient way to represent things which are periodic. He emphasized that it is nothing more than a way to visualize this that are happening, such as the lag/ lead of current and voltage.

Now that I think about it, the phase space could be some sort of complex plane, but I am not quite sure. I gather that they deal with rotations more than they deal with length or distance.
 
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The phase space in Hamiltonian mechanics lives on the cotangent bundle of the configuration space. The additional mathematical feature, very important for physics, is not a metric but a symplectic form in terms of Poisson brackets on the space of differentiable functions on phase space. Hamiltonian mechanics is form-invariant under canonical transformations, which are mathematically speaking symplectomorphism, i.e., differentiable one-to-one mappings (diffeomorphisms) which leave the Poisson brackets invariant.

Another important feature is that this structure builds a Lie algebra which at the same time is a derivation algebra and thus gives rise to representations of symmetries, which can be mapped easily to quantum-theoretical models, which provides an important quantization method.

For more information, see the nice wikipedia page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamiltonian_mechanics#Geometry_of_Hamiltonian_systems
 

FAQ: Distance not defined in phase spaces?

What is the meaning of "distance not defined in phase spaces?"

"Distance not defined in phase spaces" refers to the concept that in certain situations, it is not possible to measure the distance between two points in a phase space. This is because phase spaces involve multiple dimensions and complex relationships between variables, making it difficult to determine a direct distance measurement.

Why is distance not defined in phase spaces?

Distance is not defined in phase spaces because the concept of distance assumes a linear relationship between two points, which is not always the case in complex systems. In phase spaces, the distance between two points may depend on the path taken to get there, rather than just the two points themselves.

3. What is the importance of understanding "distance not defined in phase spaces?"

Understanding the limitations of distance in phase spaces is important for accurately analyzing and modeling complex systems. It helps scientists recognize when distance measurements may not be applicable and encourages the use of alternative methods for quantifying relationships between variables.

4. Can distance still be measured in phase spaces?

Yes, distance can still be measured in phase spaces, but it may require the use of more complex calculations and techniques. In some cases, other metrics such as similarity or correlation may be used instead of distance to quantify relationships between variables in phase spaces.

5. How does the concept of "distance not defined in phase spaces" relate to chaos theory?

The concept of "distance not defined in phase spaces" is closely related to chaos theory, which studies complex systems and their behavior over time. In chaotic systems, small changes in initial conditions can lead to vastly different outcomes, making it difficult to determine a direct distance between two points in a phase space.

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