Epsilon-delta proof for function with polar coordinates

In summary, the conversation involves a student seeking help with an epsilon-delta proof for a given function in polar coordinates. The conversation covers the basic approach of watching as r approaches zero and finding a suitable delta to make the implication true. The key is to make the fraction small by simultaneously making the numerator small and the denominator big. The correct choice of delta is determined through computations and further guidance is recommended for writing epsilon-delta limit proofs.
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Homework Statement


This is a subtask. I was given a function, and then asked to convert it to polar coordinates. So I did, and I also determined the limit. However they ask me to do an epsilon-delta proof.
The function is:
[tex]f(x,y)=\frac{x^6 + y^8 + x^4y^5}{x^6 + y^8}[/tex], which converted to polar coordinates should be: [tex]f(rcos\theta, rsin\theta) = 1 + \frac{(rcos\theta)^4 (rsin\theta)^5}{(rcos\theta)^6 + (rsin\theta)^8}[/tex].

Homework Equations


[tex]0 < r < \delta \to |f(rcos\theta,rsin\theta) - L| < \epsilon[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I thought that switching to polar coordinates and watch as r approaches zero would be enough? Is this just a straight-forward epsilon-delta proof? I could anyway need some help. I was never good at this.
 
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I assume you are supposed to compute the limit of [tex]f[/tex] at the origin?

It is a straightforward epsilon-delta proof, but since you don't give details about what you've done so far, it's not clear what more you need to write. The basic approach you describe (watch as [tex]r[/tex] approaches zero) is correct.
 
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Ah, yes. I am to find the limit at the origin.

I don't know exactly where to begin. I mean, straight from the definition, I have to prove that:
[tex] 0 < r < \delta \to |\frac{(rcos\theta)^4(rsin\theta)^5}{(rcos\theta)^6 + (rsin\theta)^8}| < \epsilon[/tex]. What next?
 
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Well, you need to find a suitable [tex]\delta[/tex] which makes that implication true. If you didn't get that part, you should review how to do epsilon-delta proofs.

Now, what you need to do is make a fraction small. That usually means simultaneously making the numerator small and the denominator big (or at least not too small). Try to fill in a statement that looks like this:

Set [tex]\delta = [/tex](some expression involving [tex]\varepsilon[/tex]); then when [tex]0 < r < \delta[/tex], we have [tex]|(r \cos\theta)^4 (r \sin\theta)^5| < N[/tex] and [tex]|(r \cos\theta)^6 + (r\sin\theta)^8| > D[/tex] where [tex]N[/tex] and [tex]D[/tex] are expressions chosen so that [tex]N/D < \varepsilon[/tex]. The setting for [tex]\delta[/tex] is actually the last thing you figure out.
 
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So, can I choose delta to be what ever I would like?
 
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No; the correct choice of [tex]\delta[/tex] is something that emerges at the end from your computations.

You should probably consult a tutor or a more comprehensive guide to writing epsilon-delta limit proofs.
 

FAQ: Epsilon-delta proof for function with polar coordinates

What is an epsilon-delta proof for a function with polar coordinates?

An epsilon-delta proof is a mathematical technique used to rigorously prove the limit of a function. In the context of polar coordinates, it involves using the distance between two points in the polar plane (epsilon) and the corresponding difference in the function values (delta) to show that the function approaches a specific limit as the distance between the points approaches zero.

Why is an epsilon-delta proof necessary for functions with polar coordinates?

Since polar coordinates involve a different system of measuring distances compared to Cartesian coordinates, the standard definition of a limit may not be applicable. Therefore, an epsilon-delta proof is necessary to formally prove the limit of a function in the polar coordinate system.

Can an epsilon-delta proof be used for any function with polar coordinates?

Yes, an epsilon-delta proof can be used for any function with polar coordinates as long as the function is continuous and has a well-defined limit at the point being evaluated.

What are the key steps in an epsilon-delta proof for a function with polar coordinates?

The key steps in an epsilon-delta proof for a function with polar coordinates are:
1. Setting up the definition of the limit using epsilon and delta
2. Simplifying the expression using the distance formula in polar coordinates
3. Manipulating the expression to establish a relationship between epsilon and delta
4. Choosing an appropriate delta based on the given epsilon
5. Proving that the difference between the function values and the limit is less than epsilon, given that the distance between the points is less than delta

Are there any limitations to the use of an epsilon-delta proof for functions with polar coordinates?

An epsilon-delta proof may not be possible if the function is discontinuous or has a jump or cusp at the point being evaluated. In such cases, other techniques, such as the squeeze theorem, may need to be used to prove the limit of the function.

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