Explaining dy, dx, ds, dt & More in Calculus & Physics

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In summary, the conversation discusses the use of derivatives in calculus and the notation of dy/dx. It is clarified that dy and dx separately do not have mathematical meaning, but are instead used in the context of limits and differentials. The conversation also mentions the use of these notations in physics textbooks and the importance of corresponding dy and dx terms. The concept of differentials is also explained as a way to approximate the limit and avoid confusion with the notation of dx.
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From what I've learned in the first year of calculus, a derivative is always written in the form of dy/dx and it must be written in this form, for dy and dx to have any mathematicl meaning.

But in many physics textbook I've been self studying from, dy, dx, ds, dt... of such have been used frequently. My guess is that it has something to do with the "geometrical aspect" of the variable, where can I find a definite explanation for these notations?

For instance the, the intensity in the range of [tex]\lambda + d\lambda[/tex],

[tex]dI = R(\lambda)d\lambda[/tex]

Why can't they just write as

[tex]dI/d\lambda = R(\lambda)[/tex]?
 
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They are using the concepts of differentials
 
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The derivative "df/dx" (also denoted f ') is defined as a LIMIT of a fraction ((f(x+h)- f(x))/h) so it is not a fraction itself: dy and dx separately make no sense.

HOWEVER, since you can always go back "before" the limit in proofs and use the fraction properties of (f(x+h)- f(x))/h, df/dx "acts like" a limit. To make use of that,
we can define the "differential": df is defined as f '(x)dx and dx is, essentially, left undefined (think of it simply as a notation). One result of that is you should never have a 'dy' without a corresponding 'dx'. Some textbooks immediately point out that you can approximate dx by a small number (Δ x) but, unfortunately, many students interpret that to mean dx is a small number (as we've seen several times on this forum).
 

FAQ: Explaining dy, dx, ds, dt & More in Calculus & Physics

What is the meaning of dy, dx, ds, and dt in calculus and physics?

Dy, dx, ds, and dt are notation used in calculus and physics to represent infinitesimal changes in a variable y, x, s, and t, respectively. In other words, they represent the rate of change or the slope of a curve at a specific point.

How are dy, dx, ds, and dt calculated?

These notations are calculated using the concept of derivatives in calculus. The derivative of a function represents the instantaneous rate of change at a particular point. For example, dy/dx represents the derivative of y with respect to x, which is the slope of the tangent line at a specific point on the curve.

What is the difference between dy, dx, ds, and dt in calculus?

While all these notations represent infinitesimal changes or derivatives, they are used for different variables. Dy and dx are commonly used in one-dimensional calculus for functions of a single variable, while ds and dt are used in multi-dimensional calculus for functions of multiple variables.

What is the significance of using dy, dx, ds, and dt in physics?

In physics, these notations are used to represent the change in a specific physical quantity with respect to another quantity. For example, ds/dt represents the velocity of an object, where s is the position and t is the time. Similarly, dv/dt represents the acceleration, where v is the velocity and t is the time.

Can dy, dx, ds, and dt be negative?

Yes, these notations can be positive, negative, or zero. The sign of these notations depends on the direction of change in the variable. For example, if the value of y decreases as x increases, then dy/dx will be negative. Similarly, if the velocity decreases with time, then dv/dt will be negative.

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