Feminazi seeks change as being an enemy

[Galatea]

In talking with a male co-worker the other day, he used this word to describe a woman he'd had a negative encounter with previously. Naturally, I bristled at the word and got to thinking about it after I was done with my conversation with him.

This was not my first time hearing the word, but I previously thought of it as a word to describe a sort of militant feminist who was "manly" and/or a man-hater. Since I hadn't heard it in a while I have a bit of a different perspective now. It occurs to me that the use of this word is actually more descriptive of the person who is using it and my experience has been that it is usually mysogynists who use it.

I'm curious about a few things:

1. What have other people's experiences been when dealing with people who use the word - how did you deal with it, if at all? What was the general demeanor of the person using it? Is there a better response than ignoring it (one that would preferably educate the user of the word rather than put them off)?

2. Linguistically speaking, how ridiculous of a word is it? I'm no history buff but I do not see any connections between Nazism and feminism except for the fact that they both have an -ism suffix.

 

[Zero]

'Feminazi' as I have seen it used, is a term preferred by people who see anyone who seeks change as being an enemy. Myogyny is only one of their character flaws.

 

[LogicalAtheist]

In psychology/sociology, there are three levels of the feminists:

1. One who feels females are at the current time oppressed somewhat by society.
2. One who feels that both sexes are equal and makes the assertion that they should be treated equally, and currently are not.
3. One who doesn't feel they are equal, but feels women are better than men.

I forget the names other than the third which is called a radical feminist. This would be a feminazi. Their lives usually revolve around the feminist movement.

But of course like a "sweetheart" is a homosexual, you still hear the word purposely out of context.

I find the males who do this are usually pretty manly males. Dominant types. Ones that have no "female side" at all.

 

[carla]

feminazi

In reply to question number one, my experience of those who use terms such as 'feminazi' is usually one of fear. They're usually as pig-headed, over-bearing, arrogant and ignorant as those they feel threatened by.

Having said that, there is definitely a sub-culture of women who I find quite frightening in their vehemence towards anything bearing a penis between its legs. They dabble in occult, call themselves witches, call down curses on mankind, pride themselves on their hellish anger and bare their wounds like war-medals and weapons as though they were the only ones to have ever suffered injustice and cruelty at the hands of selfish, violent people, as though women never cause suffering, as though they alone, have the answers to all of humanities problems and these answers usually revolve around culling down numbers of men, 'stud-farms' and male infanticide. I wouldn't call them feminazis; I'd call them festering inflammations who cause more damage to themselves and others than good. However,they're not likely to go away any time soon. Humanity is kind of like a body, when one part suffers, no matter how seemingly small and insignificant, if balance and 'health' isn't restored, the whole lot suffers.

When a 'cause' is shovelled down peoples' throats without respect for the thousand and one subtleties which influence our human-beingness, that is basically facism. It takes a lot of self-honesty, integrity, depth and compassion to distinguish the cause from the facism. There is also the need to distinguish one's 'self' from the herdism of 'causes'.

Feminism, in the final analysis, is not about 'saving women'. It's about having the courage to face the mythologies we were born into, keeping what is worthwhile and life-embracing and turfing what is redundant and unhelpful.

In that respect, we're all in need of constant re-education.

 

[wuliheron]

Originally posted by Galatea
It occurs to me that the use of this word is actually more descriptive of the person who is using it and my experience has been that it is usually mysogynists who use it.

I'm curious about a few things:

1. What have other people's experiences been when dealing with people who use the word - how did you deal with it, if at all? What was the general demeanor of the person using it? Is there a better response than ignoring it (one that would preferably educate the user of the word rather than put them off)?

2. Linguistically speaking, how ridiculous of a word is it? I'm no history buff but I do not see any connections between Nazism and feminism except for the fact that they both have an -ism suffix. [/B]

Although people here have freely used the word mysogynist, no one has yet used is cousin, the proper english language word for females-who-hate-males. Other than the rare over-educated feminist sympathizers, very few people seem to have any clue such a word actually exists much less what it is (and, no I won't tell you what it is! Look it Up!) Linguisticly and psychologically this paints a picture altogether too familiar in the modern world.

Surveys of men who physically abuse women are common and rather accurate, but the opposite also exists and is much more difficult to survey. The bottom line seems to be that ours is a male dominated patriarchial culture and admissions of weakness by the dominant gender are forbidden... taboo. For men to admit they have serious competition from women is to display a sign of weakness. As they do with each other then, men today create derrogatory terms for their competition which belittles them and reduces them to the statis of less than equals.

The word "cool person" is derrived from a common grub worm in the american south, thought to be the lowest form of life on earth. It was applied to blacks in the same way feminazi is being applied to feminists today, as a way of dehumanizing the competition and, thereby, empowering white males to use whatever means of force necessary to maintain their dominant position. Note that such an approach is the antithesis of the feminist movement itself, which is quite remarkably an egalitarian intellectual movement.

As for how to deal with such unflattering monocures, there appear to be several distinct possibilities. Blacks, for example, have taken possession of the word "cool person" for themselves and have made its use by anyone else taboo. Other possibilities include choosing an alternative monocure. I've heard feminists say things like "The word you are looking for is B**ch! And that's Ms. B**ch to you!"

When in Rome... one must do as the Romans do of course.

 

[BoulderHead]

Wow, I've learned a lot from this thread.

Many good points have been made by my fellow members. I believe I've got a better understanding of that word now. Not to name names but a certain 'ditto-head-dude' liked to use the word feminazi frequently (I haven't listened to him for several years) and I really don't recall if I've ever heard the word anywhere else...

Is it commonly used?

 

[wuliheron]

Originally posted by BoulderHead

Is it commonly used?

I think it is increasingly being used. Unlike its more traditional alternative, B**ch, it does not empower the people it refers to and is a socially acceptable word that can be printed at any website including this one.

Feminazi, feminazi, feminazi, Feminazi, feminazi, feminazi, Feminazi, feminazi, feminazi, Feminazi, feminazi, feminazi.


Thus, it is a politically useful word.

 

[BoulderHead]

Do their male counterparts have Swine Emapathy?

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[Kerrie]

i have never heard of this word! but in today's society, i would think the word refers to those women who are comparable to a male chauvenist...

 

[wuliheron]

Originally posted by BoulderHead
Do their male counterparts have Swine Emapathy?

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As much as some people complain about "Politically Correct" lingo, they tacitly accept its use without question so long as it is called "polite conversation" and don't question for a moment the political reasons for why certain words are taboo. Free speach does not extend to cuss words unless they serve the political desires of those in power.

Thus, watered down alternatives like "swine" are used in less representative societies like the US while more representative societies will cuss without compunction. One is the more conservative and capitalistic way of expressing ourselves, while the other is the more liberal and socialistic. Notably, the more "polite" societies are also the more religious and morally self-righteous.

 

[AutisticSavant]

Originally posted by carla
there is definitely a sub-culture of women who I find quite frightening in their vehemence towards anything bearing a penis between its legs. They dabble in occult, call themselves witches, call down curses on mankind, pride themselves on their hellish anger and bare their wounds like war-medals and weapons as though they were the only ones to have ever suffered injustice and cruelty at the hands of selfish, violent people, as though women never cause suffering, as though they alone, have the answers to all of humanities problems and these answers usually revolve around culling down numbers of men, 'stud-farms' and male infanticide.

Whoa, i never knew there were women out there who hated us THAT much. lol.

 

[Les Sleeth]

Originally posted by carla
. . . there is definitely a sub-culture of women who I find quite frightening in their vehemence towards anything bearing a penis between its legs.

I'd find it a lot more frightening if it were located somewhere else, like growing out of my armpit or ear.

 

[LogicalAtheist]

Like I said in my seemingly ignored post, feminazi is another word for the highest level of feminism. radical feminism.

If you read an intro psych book, they usually include a section on feminism and will tell you the defining factors of the 3 levels of feminism.

Anyhow,as I said the highest level doesn't claim that males and females are equal, they specifically claim that females are superior and males must be supressed.

There are many many of these women.

I would say that the women bothering people about the gold masters tournament are between the 2nd and third area.

 

[J-Man]

1) I never heard this word used. I'd either ignore it or demand to know what they mean by it.
2) Sounds pretty ridiculous to me. To me, it has a connotation of 'female nazi'. An irrelevant distinction, and thus a useless word. If the intended meaning is different then the meaning was not conveyed; I believe it's not a good term to use.

 

[jammieg]

After some extensive detective work, I can find no formal word in usuage for the opposite of misogynist but only the combining form man-hater which doesn't carry the same connontations of being of the opposite sex that although mysogynism doesn't state have rather often been implied from what people think- or a person could be a misogynist and still be a man. The runners up are misadrist, misovir, misomasculinist, etc...
It is odd that there isn't a word for women who hate men...but then how often does anyone call someone a mysogynist? Typically they just say they hate or distrust women or hate or distrust men or both.
"Feminazi" is slang and has very derrogatory connotations. I've always found a relationship between the clarity and denotative vocabulary of a person and the clarity of their thoughts. The more slang a person uses the more obscure their thinking, the reason people use slang is because it gives a sense of certainty; that is with a single vague word a very complex thing can catagorized, defined(within obscurity) and acted upon accordingly- it's the lazy way.
I deal with people who use slang by not talking like them, educating them?
Who has the time to waste?

 

[Kerrie]

Originally posted by LogicalAtheist
Like I said in my seemingly ignored post, feminazi is another word for the highest level of feminism. radical feminism.

smart people in general do ignore your know it all tone...no need to take such offense to it

I would say that the women bothering people about the gold masters tournament are between the 2nd and third area.

this is a perfect example of women overstepping the "equality factor", something i think is common with women who are considered "feminazis"...i believe women should be equal when it comes to voting, pay structures, etc as the mind of the genders are no more or less of one another, but physical skill is something men dominate in just as women dominate in handling immense pain (ie: childbirth)...

 

[LogicalAtheist]

Originally posted by Kerrie
smart people in general do ignore your know it all tone...no need to take such offense to it

I have that tone because I do know a great deal of things.

 

[Kerrie]

Originally posted by LogicalAtheist
I have that tone because I do know a great deal of things.

"the more you know, the less you say"...

 

[Les Sleeth]

Originally posted by Kerrie
"the more you know, the less you say"...

One might add:

“To know is one thing, and to know for certain that we know is another.” - William James

 

[LogicalAtheist]

Originally posted by Kerrie
"the more you know, the less you say"...

Not if you're a teacher like I am. If you know and don't say, you're of no use to society.

Quoting randomly doesn't make good points. For all I know Charles Manson could have said that, and even if it was Einstein, it doesn't make it a better quote. Einstien had some pretty stupid ideas himself.

 

[jammieg]

I may disagree Kerrie, I only have the basics of the news, but if a person can keep up with the master's tournament then it shouldn't matter even if they are a one armed transexual african-hispanic jew female of 6 years old-they earned it, of course it is unlikely, but if they can do the job they should get a chance.
I know nothing.

 

[LogicalAtheist]

Originally posted by jammieg
I may disagree Kerrie, I only have the basics of the news, but if a person can keep up with the master's tournament then it shouldn't matter even if they are a one armed transexual african-hispanic jew female of 6 years old-they earned it, of course it is unlikely, but if they can do the job they should get a chance.
I know nothing.

This is exactly the problem we're having. People not understanding the foundation of what the master's tournament is.

...and furthermore saying that someone has same innate right to be in the tournament.

It's saddening people feel this way.

 

[Zero]

Originally posted by LogicalAtheist
This is exactly the problem we're having. People not understanding the foundation of what the master's tournament is.

...and furthermore saying that someone has same innate right to be in the tournament.

It's saddening people feel this way.

They DO have a right...if they can make the cut.

 

[jammieg]

I did not say innate.

 

[LogicalAtheist]

Originally posted by jammieg
I did not say innate.

"it shouldn't matter"

That's a universal assumption that one should not take it into account for any reason. Because there's no exceptions, it's innate.

 

[jammieg]

You're right, sophistry is a teacher too.


...It's good to be wrong once in awhile, bad to carry on without admitting it, I'm more often wrong than you I promise.

 

[Kerrie]

Originally posted by LogicalAtheist
Not if you're a teacher like I am. If you know and don't say, you're of no use to society.

a teacher? i remember you saying you were still in school in your introductory post, sorry, i don't buy it

 

[jammieg]

Though this deviates from the issue I would add that
I believe in equal rights but not in equality, two people are never exactly alike and a whole category of people are going to be different from another category. There should always be equal rights and equal opportunity, but never exact equality, when some people demand that 50% of the master's be of such and such group because that group isn't representative of the average population then I would say they are fools. The problem with equal rights and opportunity is that inequality is often precieved as the problem and indicative of there not being equal rights and opportunity which is sometimes the case but not always and certainly not the whole problem.

 

[carla]

Originally posted by LW Sleeth
I'd find it a lot more frightening if it were located somewhere else, like growing out of my armpit or ear.

Parthenogenesis is also an interesting subject.

 

[Royce]

As I understand it the controversy about the Masters is based on the fact that the Agusta National Golf Club is as of now a men's only club, Women are not allowed to be members. It has nothing to do with the Masters Golf tounament.
Feminazi was as far as I know coined by Rush Limbauh to discribe militant feminist who are not looking for equality but supremacy hence feminazi.
I had always thought the the word 'cool person' was a combination of the word negro and the german word for black negger (sp?). Mark Twain used it frequently and at the time was a socialbly acceptable slang term with no derogatory connatations, at least for whites at that time.

 

[Eaglesyfon]

When it comes to things like Anika joining the PGA, especially when there's an LPGA already, I think it all depends on why she's doing it. If it's for "equality" than it's just some statement a lady is trying to make, probably about feminism, "I want what he has" and what not. But if she wants to show that she's better than all the male golfers of the PGA, then that's fine in my opinion.

 

[Zero]

Originally posted by Eaglesyfon
When it comes to things like Anika joining the PGA, especially when there's an LPGA already, I think it all depends on why she's doing it. If it's for "equality" than it's just some statement a lady is trying to make, probably about feminism, "I want what he has" and what not. But if she wants to show that she's better than all the male golfers of the PGA, then that's fine in my opinion.

Well, obviously, it is all about competition. She was apparently nothing like the worst golfer out there, so she deserved a shot.

 

[Eaglesyfon]

I didn't know it was all about competition. I didn't hear too much about it.

 

[Zero]

Originally posted by Eaglesyfon
I didn't know it was all about competition. I didn't hear too much about it.

Well, she had a bad day, and didn't quite make the cut...but she has also turned in a 54 game...so she was certainly capable of making the cut.

 

[Royce]

She was invited to play the Colonial at Fort Worth by the sponser Bank of America and given a sponsor's exemption which was their right. Annika has done just about all that there is to do in the LPGA and wanted to take her geme to the next level in her words and was hoping to learn a lot about herself and her game. She shot a 59 by the way which is vertually unheard of men or women as its a minimum of 11 under par for a 18 hole par 70 course. The total yardage for the course she play at Colonial was 1600 yards longer than any course she had played proffessionally before. She said that it was not her idea originally and thought long and hard before accepting the invitation; that it would be a one time only thing and a once in a life time chance and experience.
She was under terrific pressure the entire week before the event. She held up very well and concidering the circumstances played very well and had nothing to be ashamed of. It had nothing to do with feminism or anything like that. She was not the first woman to play in the PGA.