Finding Fourier Coefficients: 0's and Questions

In summary, the person is trying to find the Fourier coefficients for a given signal but keeps getting 0 for both F0 and Fn. They provide their work and calculations, but are unsure where they went wrong. Another person suggests considering the cases for n=±1 separately and using the fact that Fn=0 for odd n when f(t)=f(t+T/2). The original person then asks if it is possible to use this fact and mentions getting 0 for coefficients when n=3, 5, etc.
  • #1
magnifik
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I am trying to find the Fourier coefficients for the following signal:
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For some reason, I keep getting 0, which doesn't make sense to me.

I am even getting 0 for F0 even though there is clearly area under the curve. Here's my work for this part:
Period = T/2
Natural freq = 4pi/T
F0 = (2/T) int[sin(4pi/T)t dt] from 0 to T/2
= (1/2pi) [cos(4pi/T)t] from 0 to T/2
= 0

I am getting 0 for Fn as well. Any help would be appreciated!
 
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  • #2
The sinusoid finishes a half of a cycle every T/2, and a complete cycle is 2pi. Thus,

[tex]\frac{2 \pi}{2} = \frac{\omega T}{2}[/tex]
[tex] \omega =\frac{2 \pi}{T}\neq \frac{4 \pi}{T}[/tex]
 
  • #3
tedbradly said:
The sinusoid finishes a half of a cycle every T/2, and a complete cycle is 2pi. Thus,

[tex]\frac{2 \pi}{2} = \frac{\omega T}{2}[/tex]
[tex] \omega =\frac{2 \pi}{T}\neq \frac{4 \pi}{T}[/tex]

I see. What I thought was that the natural frequency is equal to 2pi/T (general equation), but since the period is from 0 to T/2 then the period is T/2. So i did 2pi/(T/2) = 4pi/T
 
  • #4
Your function should be f(t)=sin 2πt/T. When t=T/2, the argument of the sine will be π, so it will have gone through a half cycle. Your function goes through a complete oscillation from 0 to T/2.
 
  • #5
using f(t) = sin 2πt/T, i am getting infinity for F1

i got Fn = (-1/2pi(1-n))((-1)n - 1) - (1/pi(1+n))((-(-1)n - 1)

and plugging in 1, for the first part of the equation i am getting 0 in the denominator. i am also finding that for every odd n i am getting 0. this can't be correct, i assume?
 
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  • #6
Nope. You should find all the sine terms vanish since f(t) is an even function. If you can't figure it out, post more details of your calculation so we can see where the mistake is.
 
  • #7
My calculations

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  • #8
You have to consider the cases for n=±1 separately. For example, when n=1, the integrand of the first integral is just 1, so the integral is equal to T/2.
 
  • #9
vela said:
You have to consider the cases for n=±1 separately. For example, when n=1, the integrand of the first integral is just 1, so the integral is equal to T/2.

is it possible to use the fact that Fn = 0 for odd n when f(t) = f(t+T/2)?? I'm not sure what you mean when you say you have to consider the cases for +1 separately since i thought the amplitude spectra is symmetric

when i do the coefficients for n = 3, 5, etc...i am getting 0
 
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magnifik said:
is it possible to use the fact that Fn = 0 for odd n when f(t) = f(t+T/2)??
Sure. Why not?
i'm not sure what you mean when you say you have to consider the cases for +1 separately since i thought the amplitude spectra is symmetric
Simply put, you can't divide by 0, so the way you integrated was incorrect. You have to evaluate the integral differently in those cases. It's just like you can't say

[tex]\int x^n\,dx = \frac{x^{n+1}}{n+1}+c[/tex]

when n=-1. You have to consider the n=-1 case separately. The way you integrated works when n doesn't equal 1 or -1. For those particular cases, you have to evaluate the integrals differently.
 

FAQ: Finding Fourier Coefficients: 0's and Questions

What are Fourier coefficients?

Fourier coefficients are numerical values that represent the amplitude and phase of individual sinusoidal functions that, when added together, can accurately represent a periodic function.

How are Fourier coefficients calculated?

Fourier coefficients are calculated using the Fourier series formula, which involves integrating a function over one period and dividing by the period. This process is repeated for each individual sinusoidal function in the series.

What is the significance of finding 0's in Fourier coefficients?

Finding 0's in Fourier coefficients can indicate that certain sinusoidal functions in the series do not contribute significantly to the overall representation of the periodic function. This can simplify the series and make it easier to work with.

Can Fourier coefficients be negative?

Yes, Fourier coefficients can be negative. The negative sign represents a phase shift of pi radians in the corresponding sinusoidal function.

Why are Fourier coefficients important in signal processing and data analysis?

Fourier coefficients are important in signal processing and data analysis because they allow us to break down complex signals or data sets into simpler, periodic components. This makes it easier to analyze and understand the underlying patterns and trends in the data.

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