Having trouble solving this limit? Need some hints?

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In summary, the conversation is about the difficulties in solving a limit involving cosine functions. The person asking for help has tried expanding the expression and multiplying with the conjugate, but still gets 0/0. The other person suggests using L'Hopital's rule, which involves finding the limit by computing the ratio between the derivatives of the functions involved. The first person mentions not having learned derivatives yet, but thanks the other person for their help.
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Hi
I've been trying to solve a limit, and I found some difficulties doing that. Any help would be appreciated!


lim cos(2x) / 2cosx - √2
x→ (π/4)

so, what I tried to do is expand that cos(2x) but I still get 0/0 :frown:
Any hints ?
Thank cyou
 
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First, get your parentheses right!

Secondly, have you learned L'Hopital's rule yet?
 
  • #3
Sorry... but I don't see anything wrong with them!
No we have not learned it yet, and I would like to learn it.
 
  • #4
Oh, really?
What you've ACTUALLY written means:
[tex]\frac{\cos(2x)}{2\cos(x)}-\sqrt{2}[/tex]

But that wasn't the main point, though.
 
  • #5
That's right, sorry!
 
  • #6
In order to proceed without L'Hopital's rule, multiply with the conjugate expression:
[tex]\frac{\cos(2x)}{2\cos(x)-\sqrt{2}}=\frac{\cos(2x)}{2\cos(x)-\sqrt{2}}*\frac{2\cos(x)+\sqrt{2}}{2\cos(x)+\sqrt{2}}=\frac{\cos(2x)}{4\cos^{2}(x)-2}(2\cos(x)+\sqrt{2})=\frac{\cos(2x)}{2\cos^{2}(x)-1}\frac{2\cos(x)+\sqrt{2}}{2}[/tex]
Now, any thoughts of simplifying this further?
 
  • #7
I can see that (cos(2x))/(2cos²(x)-1) equals to 1.
Does that mean, the limit is equal to sqrt(2) ?
If that's right, how can it be solved by that L'Hopital rule ?
 
  • #8
That's correct!
Now, to introduce L'Hopital's rule, let's consider h(x)=f(x)/g(x), and search for h(X) when f(X)=g(X)=0 (X being the point we let x approach.

Now, according to the mean value theorem, there exists an y in the interval (X,x) so that f(x)=f(X)+f'(y)(x-X) and similarly, a z in (X,x), so that g(x)=g(X)+g'(z)(x-X) (y and z need not be the same number!)
Thus, we have:
[tex]h(x)=\frac{f(X)+f'(y)(x-X)}{g(X)+g'(z)(x-X)}=\frac{f'(y)}{g'(z)},y,z\in(X,x)[/tex]
since f(X)=g(X)=0, and [itex]X\neq{x}[/itex]

Now, as you let x approach X, then evidently we must have that y approaches X, and z approaches X.
Thus, you get:
[tex]\lim_{x\to{X}}h(x)=\frac{f'(X)}{g'(X)}[/itex]
insofar as this is defined.

Thus, L'Hopital's rule says that if h(X) is a 0/0-expression, you can find its limit value by computing the ratio between the the derivatives of f and g, evaluated at X.

In your example:
[tex]\lim_{x\to\frac{\pi}{4}}\frac{\cos(2x)}{2\cos(x)-\sqrt{2}}=\lim_{y,z\to\frac{\pi}{4}}\frac{-2\sin(2y)}{-2\sin(z)}=\frac{\sin(2\frac{\pi}{4})}{\sin(\frac{\pi}{4})}=\sqrt{2}[/tex]
 
  • #9
Ah I understood a little bit... because we haven't learned derivatives yet :-/
Thanks anyway!
 

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