How Do I Apply Multivariable Calculus to Thermodynamics Problems?

In summary, Chet said that if you substitute in U=2RT-a/v for U in the answer, you get p=RT/(v-b)-a/v^2.
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kamu
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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


au/as=T
au/av=p
S/R=ln[(v-b)(u+a/c)^2]

The Attempt at a Solution


1/T=1/au/as=as/au
S=ln[(v-b)(U+a/v)^2]R
as/au=[(v-b)2(U+a/v)(1)]R/[(v-b)(U+a/v)^2]=2R/(U+a/v)=1/T
T=(U+a/v)/2R
U=2RT-a/v
au/av=-P
au=-Pav
integrate au to get u=-pv+c

u=-pv+c=2RT-a/v
-p=2RT-a/v-C
p=a/v-2RT+c

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uploaded my work in image format.

One of the main problem I have is that we haven't learned multivariable integration(or partial integration I don't know what it's called.)

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more attempts
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You found an expression for U as a function of V, and you're told ##P = -\frac{\partial U}{\partial V}##. Why are you integrating? Just differentiate U with respect to V to find the pressure.
 
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vela said:
You found an expression for U as a function of V, and you're told ##P = -\frac{\partial U}{\partial V}##. Why are you integrating? Just differentiate U with respect to V to find the pressure.
Hi vela, I need to express pressure as a function of temperature and volume. I need to get both T and V in the expression. Which is the problem I'm having.

taking the au/av would give me a/v^2
 
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Another attempt.
 
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You already correctly obtained ##\left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial S}\right)_V=T=\frac{(U+\frac{a}{V})}{2R}##. Now please show us what you get for ##\left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial V}\right)_S=-P##. You will need to combine the two relationships.

Chet
 
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Chestermiller said:
You already correctly obtained ##\left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial S}\right)_V=T=\frac{(U+\frac{a}{V})}{2R}##. Now please show us what you get for ##\left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial V}\right)_S=-P##. You will need to combine the two relationships.

Chet
Hey Chet. In my previous posts I listed how I derived au/av from the chain rule in implicit differentiation. They might not be correct but
au/av=e^(S/R) (-2/(u+a/v))^3 is what I got for fourth attempt

au/av= 2R[((u+a/v)(-a/v^2)]/[(v-b)(u+a/v)^2]/[2R((v-b)(u+a/v))/((v-b)(u+a/v)^2)] is what I got for my second attempt

au/av=-2R/(v-b)(u+a/v)(v^2)/[(2R/(u+a/v))+1/T] is what I got on the third attempt

my derivation are all in the photos.(Not that I think they are right :(. So far unfortunately only my last attempt actually gave me a expression with T in it, T always somehow cancels out in the end in other attempts.
 
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I took a simpler/different approach

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the answer looks appropriate but I'm not sure if I messed up somewhere.
 
  • #8
I get:
[tex]\frac{S}{R}=ln(V-b)+2ln(U+\frac{a}{V})[/tex]
So,
[tex]\frac{dS}{R}=\frac{dV}{V-b}+\frac{2}{(U+\frac{a}{V})}(dU-\frac{a}{V^2}dV)[/tex]
At constant S, this becomes:
[tex]0=(\frac{1}{V-b}-\frac{2a/V^2}{(U+\frac{a}{V})})dV
+\frac{2}{(U+\frac{a}{V})}dU[/tex]
Solving for ##\partial U/\partial V## gives:
[tex]\left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial V}\right)_S=-\frac{(U+a/V)}{2(V-b)}+a/V^2=-P[/tex]
Does this match any of the results from your attempts?

Chet
 
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Chestermiller said:
I get:
[tex]\frac{S}{R}=ln(V-b)+2ln(U+\frac{a}{V})[/tex]
So,
[tex]\frac{dS}{R}=\frac{dV}{V-b}+\frac{2}{(U+\frac{a}{V})}(dU-\frac{a}{V^2}dV)[/tex]
At constant S, this becomes:
[tex]0=(\frac{1}{V-b}-\frac{2a/V^2}{(U+\frac{a}{V})})dV
+\frac{2}{(U+\frac{a}{V})}dU[/tex]
Solving for ##\partial U/\partial V## gives:
[tex]\left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial V}\right)_S=-\frac{(U+a/V)}{2(V-b)}+a/V^2=-P[/tex]
Does this match any of the results from your attempts?

Chet
Hi Chet, yes it matches the results from my last attempt. If I sub in U=2RT-a/v for U in your answer I would get p=RT/(v-b)-a/v^2

[tex]\left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial V}\right)_S=-\frac{(2RT-a/v+a/V)}{2(V-b)}+a/V^2=-P[/tex]

[tex]\left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial V}\right)_S=\frac{(RT)}{(V-b)}-a/V^2=P[/tex]
 
  • #10
I forgot to mention. Thank you for the help Chet! I really appreciate it.
 

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