How Do You Redefine Grad, Div, and Curl in a New Coordinate System?

In summary, to redefine the grad, div, and curl operators in another coordinate system, you can use the chain rule. This means that in polar coordinates, the grad operator is given by cos(theta) df/dr - (1/r) sin(theta) df/dtheta, and the same can be done for the div and curl operators. Links for further understanding are also provided.
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NoobixCube
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hi all,
Simple questions..

I am dealing with the del operator (grad, div curl) in one coord system, but say I parametrise my system into another one. How then do I redefine the grad, div, and curl operators.

Any links would be really helpful.
 
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Use the chain rule. For example, the grad of a function in Cartesian coordinates is given by [itex]f_x\vec{i}+ f_y\vec{j}[/itex].

In terms of polar coordinates,
[tex]\frac{df}{dx}= \frac{df}{dr}\frac{dr}{dx}+ \frac{df}{d\theta}\frac{d\theta}{dx}[/tex]

Of course [itex]r= (x^2+ y^2)^{1/2}[/itex] so [itex]dr/dx= (1/2)(x^2+ y^2)^{-1/2}(2x)= x/(x^2+ y^2)^{-1/2}= r cos(\theta)/r= cos(\theta)[/itex]

and [itex]\theta= arctan(y/x)[/itex] so [itex]d\theta/dx= (1/(1+ y^2/x^2))(-y/x^2)[/itex] and [itex]d\theta/dx= -y/(x^2+ y^2)= -r sin(\theta)/r^2= (-1/r) sin(\theta)[/itex]

That is, [itex]df/dx= cos(theta) df/dr- (1/r) sin(\theta) df/d\theta[itex] and you can do the same thing for df/dy.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Use the chain rule. For example, the grad of a function in Cartesian coordinates is given by [itex]f_x\vec{i}+ f_y\vec{j}[/itex].

In terms of polar coordinates,
[tex]\frac{df}{dx}= \frac{df}{dr}\frac{dr}{dx}+ \frac{df}{d\theta}\frac{d\theta}{dx}[/tex]

Of course [itex]r= (x^2+ y^2)^{1/2}[/itex] so [itex]dr/dx= (1/2)(x^2+ y^2)^{-1/2}(2x)= x/(x^2+ y^2)^{-1/2}= r cos(\theta)/r= cos(\theta)[/itex]

and [itex]\theta= arctan(y/x)[/itex] so [itex]d\theta/dx= (1/(1+ y^2/x^2))(-y/x^2)[/itex] and [itex]d\theta/dx= -y/(x^2+ y^2)= -r sin(\theta)/r^2= (-1/r) sin(\theta)[/itex]

That is, [itex]df/dx= cos(theta) df/dr- (1/r) sin(\theta) df/d\theta[/itex] and you can do the same thing for df/dy.


Hey, thanks a lot for the reply!
 

FAQ: How Do You Redefine Grad, Div, and Curl in a New Coordinate System?

What is the transformation of operators?

The transformation of operators is a mathematical concept that involves changing or manipulating mathematical operators to solve equations or simplify expressions. It is commonly used in algebra, calculus, and other branches of mathematics.

Why do we need to transform operators?

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What are some common techniques for transforming operators?

Some common techniques for transforming operators include factoring, expanding, and using the properties of operations such as the distributive property, associative property, and commutative property.

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The transformation of operators is closely related to the order of operations, which dictates the sequence in which mathematical operations should be performed. By transforming operators, we can change the order of operations to make it easier to solve equations or simplify expressions.

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