How to do cross product if I have got only two coordinate?

In summary, the cross product is only naturally defined for 3 and 7 dimensions, and there is a form of cross product in 4 or 5 dimensions but it is more complicated and not as straightforward as in 3 and 7 dimensions."
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a =(x,y), b =(h,k)
a cross b =?

I have idea what to type on google. Is that doing like matrices , a cross b = xk-hy?
thanks.
 
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You can't. The cross product is only naturally defined for 3 dimensions and 7 dimensions. If you want to do the above cross product you would have to add a zero as a third coordinate so that those vectors are on the plane embedded in 3-space i.e. a = (x,y,0) and b = (h,k,0).
 
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"...naturally defined for 3 ... and 7 dimension"Does that mean no cross product can occur in 4 or 5 dimension? I have been reviewing dot and cross product in the last recent few days, and although I have not yet tried to, one would imagine in four dimensions, one could have two vectors, and set up dot product relationships to find what new vector is orthogonal (dot products are zero) to both of these two vectors.
 
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symbolipoint said:
"...naturally defined for 3 ... and 7 dimension"Does that mean no cross product can occur in 4 or 5 dimension? I have been reviewing dot and cross product in the last recent few days, and although I have not yet tried to, one would imagine in four dimensions, one could have two vectors, and set up dot product relationships to find what new vector is orthogonal (dot products are zero) to both of these two vectors.
Well...yes. There is a form of "cross product" in 4 or 5 dimensional Euclidean space. Kind of.

Recall that the magnitude of the cross product ##\vec{u}\times\vec{v}## of two vectors ##\vec{u}## and ##\vec{v}## is equal to the area of the parallelogram outlined by the two vectors. That is also the magnitude of the corresponding bivector, which can be intuitively thought of as an oriented family of parallelograms. This bivector is the Hodge dual of the cross product, given by ##\vec{u}\wedge\vec{v}##. Thus, we can define the cross product by ##\vec{u}\times\vec{v}=\star\left(\vec{u}\wedge\vec{v}\right)##.

However, if you think about it, what's the difficulty of this definition? For example, what would be the cross product in ##\mathbb{R}^4##? :wink:
 
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symbolipoint said:
"...naturally defined for 3 ... and 7 dimension"


Does that mean no cross product can occur in 4 or 5 dimension? .
Indeed dimensions 3 and 7 are the only ones that admit non-degenerate cross products (dimension 1 admits a degenerate cross product). It's a result of Hurwitz's theorem, see here (section 5): http://www.math.uconn.edu/~kconrad/blurbs/linmultialg/hurwitzlinear.pdf
 

FAQ: How to do cross product if I have got only two coordinate?

What is a cross product?

A cross product is a mathematical operation that takes two vectors as input and produces a new vector that is perpendicular to both of the input vectors. It is used to calculate the area of a parallelogram and to determine the direction of a torque or rotational force.

How do I calculate the cross product if I only have two coordinates?

To calculate the cross product of two vectors with only two coordinates, you can add a third coordinate with a value of 0 for each vector. Then, you can use the same formula for calculating the cross product of 3D vectors, which is (a1b2 - a2b1)i + (a2b0 - a0b2)j + (a0b1 - a1b0)k, where a and b are the two vectors and i, j, and k are unit vectors in the x, y, and z directions respectively.

Why is the cross product important in physics?

The cross product is important in physics because it is used to calculate the direction of a torque or rotational force, which is crucial in understanding rotational motion and the behavior of objects in space. It is also used in electromagnetism and fluid mechanics to determine the direction of magnetic fields and fluid flow.

What are some real-life applications of the cross product?

Some real-life applications of the cross product include determining the direction of a magnetic field in a wire, calculating the torque on a propeller in a boat, and determining the direction of the angular momentum of a spinning top.

Can the cross product be used on non-numeric data?

No, the cross product can only be used on numeric data, specifically vectors with numerical values for magnitude and direction. It is a mathematical operation and cannot be applied to non-numeric data such as text or images.

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