Is the Power Tower Method the Key to Solving Nonlinear ODEs?

In summary: So, if there is a solution, it would be \sqrt[2.47805]{2.47805}.In summary, the conversation discussed the concept of infinite power towers and how they can be solved using the Lambert W function. The answer to the problem given was \sqrt{2}, but more generally, if the power tower equals a positive number a, then the solution is \sqrt[a]{a}. However, this is only true if a solution exists, and it is limited to numbers up to e^{1/e}. The conversation also mentioned a possible solution of \sqrt[2.47805]{2.47805}.
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TylerH
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[tex]y^2=y' \Rightarrow y=\frac{y'}{y} \Rightarrow \int y dx = ln \left( y \right) \Rightarrow y=e^{\int y dx}=e^{\int e^{\int y dx} dx}=e^{\int e^{\int e^{\int y dx} dx} dx}=\cdots[/tex]

Is that correct?
 
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  • #2
Why not just say:
[tex]
\frac{y'}{y^{2}}=1\Rightarrow -\frac{1}{y}=x+C
[/tex]
 
  • #3
Which is the same as y= -1/(x+C) so that [itex]\int ydx= -ln(x+C)+ C_2[/itex] so that
[itex]e^{\int ydx}=C_2 \frac{1}{x+ C}= \frac{-1}{x+ C}= y[/itex]
so, yes, your chain of exponentials is correct- but a very complicated way of writing a very simple function.
 
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  • #4
This reminds me of a problem in a math contest I once saw. Solve:

[tex]x^{x^{x^{x^\ldots}}} = 2[/tex]

The answer is [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex].
 
  • #5
hunt_mat said:
Why not just say:
[tex]
\frac{y'}{y^{2}}=1\Rightarrow -\frac{1}{y}=x+C
[/tex]

Yeah, I found the real solution. But, it's the fact that something so contrived is equal to something so simple that makes it awesome.
 
  • #6
pmsrw3 said:
This reminds me of a problem in a math contest I once saw. Solve:

[tex]x^{x^{x^{x^\ldots}}} = 2[/tex]

The answer is [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex].

That was the first thing that came to mind. Btw, you [STRIKE]would[/STRIKE] could solve that "infinite power tower" using (4) here: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/LambertW-Function.html.
 
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pmsrw3 said:
This reminds me of a problem in a math contest I once saw. Solve:

[tex]x^{x^{x^{x^\ldots}}} = 2[/tex]

The answer is [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex].
If
[tex]x^{x^{x^{x^\ldots}}}= 2[/tex]
then
[tex]x^{\left(x^{x^{x^\ldots}}\right)}= x^2=2[/tex]

More generally, if
[tex]x^{x^{x^{x^\ldots}}}= a> 0[/tex]
then [itex]x=\sqrt{a}[/itex].
 
  • #8
HallsofIvy said:
If
[tex]x^{x^{x^{x^\ldots}}}= 2[/tex]
then
[tex]x^{\left(x^{x^{x^\ldots}}\right)}= x^2=2[/tex]

More generally, if
[tex]x^{x^{x^{x^\ldots}}}= a> 0[/tex]
then [itex]x=\sqrt{a}[/itex].
almost:
[itex]x=\sqrt[a]{a}[/itex]
 
  • #9
HallsofIvy said:
If
[tex]x^{x^{x^{x^\ldots}}}= 2[/tex]
then
[tex]x^{\left(x^{x^{x^\ldots}}\right)}= x^2=2[/tex]

More generally, if
[tex]x^{x^{x^{x^\ldots}}}= a> 0[/tex]
then [itex]x=\sqrt{a}[/itex].
Actually, it should be [itex]a^{1/a}[/itex], no?

But this is true only if there is a solution. When I substitute [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex] for x and iterate it, it does indeed converge to 2. But when I try it for cube root of 3, it doesn't converge to 3. It converges, but to 2.47805. What's more, when I ask Mathematica for [itex]-\frac{\text{ProductLog}[-\text{Log}[z]]}{\text{Log}[z]}[/itex], which is supposed to give the infinite power tower of z (see http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PowerTower.html), it does in fact come to 2.47805. MathWorld says it converges only up to [itex]e^{1/e}[/itex]. The interesting thing is, [itex]2.47805^{1/2.47805}[/itex] equals the cube root of 3.
 

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