Multiplying vectors -- where does cos(theta) go?

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In summary, when calculating the work done with vector quantities of force and displacement, the dot product can be used in two forms: coordinate form, where the product of the corresponding components of the vectors is taken, or coordinate-free form, where the magnitudes of the vectors and the cosine of the angle between them is used. In vector quantities given in terms of i^, j^, k^, the cosine term may not always be explicitly written, as it is equal to 1 for some terms and 0 for others. It is important to understand the interpretation and direction of each component when performing dot product calculations.
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For example if I have to find out work done.Force and displacement are given to be (2i^+3j^+4k^)and
(-i^-2j^) respectively.
till now i have been thinking that work done=Force multiplied by displacement cos theta but in my book in solution of the problem above work done is calculated by simply multiplying
(2i^+3j^+4k^)and
(-i^-2j^).
where did cos theta go?when vectors are given in terms of i^,j^, k^ we don't write costheta,that's how it works,right?if yes,reason? I know displacement cos theta implies component of displacement along force.
 
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That is not a simple multiplication. Its called dot product. Work is defined as:
$$W=\vec{F}\cdot\vec{s}$$

When force and displacement are given in vector forms, you can also find the angle between them by using$$\cos\theta=\frac{\vec{F}\cdot\vec{s}}{|F|.|s|}$$

You can read it here : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot_product
 
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Titan97 said:
That is not a simple multiplication. Its called dot product. Work is defined as:
W=F⃗ ⋅s⃗​
I know that!but should not magnitude of work done be F S COS theta
 
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Its is.
$$W=|F|.|s|.\cos\theta$$
But you have to find cosθ.
This will be the long way to calculate work though.
 
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gracy said:
For example if I have to find out work done.Force and displacement are given to be (2i^+3j^+4k^)and
(-i^-2j^) respectively.
till now i have been thinking that work done=Force multiplied by displacement cos theta but in my book in solution of the problem above work done is calculated by simply multiplying
(2i^+3j^+4k^)and
(-i^-2j^).
where did cos theta go?when vectors are given in terms of i^,j^, k^ we don't write costheta,that's how it works,right?if yes,reason? I know displacement cos theta implies component of displacement along force.
Your unit vectors i, j, k are mutually orthogonal to one another (at right angles), so cos(θ) is zero for any i≠j terms. You need to look up the dot product in component form for the question above.
 
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Vagn said:
Your unit vectors i, j, k are mutually orthogonal to one another (at right angles), so cos(θ) is zero for any i≠j terms
And what about i ,-i terms?will it be cos 180 i.e -1?
 
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gracy said:
And what about i ,-i terms?will it be cos 180 i.e -1?
Yes,that's correct.
 
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gracy said:
And what about i ,-i terms?will it be cos 180 i.e -1?
The -i component can be understood as (value -1, direction i). With that understanding, when you multiply 2i^ by -i^ the relevant angle is the angle between i^ and i^. That is zero degrees. The result is 2 * -1 * cos(0).

Understood that way, 180 degrees never enters in. All the cosines are equal to 1.
 
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Assuming that both force and displacement are vector constants (i.e., the force doesn't vary and acts along a straight line path), the work done is given by this dot product:
$$W = \vec{F} \cdot \vec{S}$$
Let's assume that ##\vec{F} = <f_1, f_2, f_3>## and ##\vec{S} = < s_1, s_2, s_3>##. Personally, I like this notation better than ##f_1 \vec{i} + f_2 \vec{j} + f_3 \vec{k}## as it is easier to write.

There are two ways to calculate the dot product shown above.
Coordinate form
##W = f_1 s_1 + f_2 s_2 + f_3 s_3##

Coordinate-free form
##W = |\vec{F}| |\vec{S}| cos(\theta)##, where ##\theta## is the angle between the two vectors, and |F| and |S| are the magnitudes of the two vectors. For vectors in R3, the magnitude is the square root of the sum of the squares of the three components. For example, ##|\vec{F} = \sqrt{f_1^2 + f_2^2 + f_3^2}##.
 
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jbriggs444 said:
The -i component can be understood as (value -1, direction i).
Just as valid would be the interpretation that -i has a value of 1 in the direction of -i (i.e., to the left).
jbriggs444 said:
With that understanding, when you multiply 2i^ by -i^ the relevant angle is the angle between i^ and i^. That is zero degrees. The result is 2 * -1 * cos(0).

Understood that way, 180 degrees never enters in. All the cosines are equal to 1.

Using my interpretation, we get the same answer via a different route.
$$\vec{2i} \cdot -\vec{i} = |2\vec{i}| |-\vec{i}| \cos(180°) = (2)(1)(-1) = -2$$
 
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FAQ: Multiplying vectors -- where does cos(theta) go?

What is the purpose of multiplying vectors?

The purpose of multiplying vectors is to determine the magnitude and direction of the resulting vector when two or more vectors are combined. This is useful in various fields of science, such as physics and engineering.

How does multiplying vectors work?

Multiplying vectors involves finding the dot product or cross product of the vectors. The dot product results in a scalar quantity, while the cross product results in a vector quantity. The formulas for these operations involve the magnitudes and angles between the vectors.

What is the role of cos(theta) in multiplying vectors?

Cos(theta) represents the angle between two vectors in the dot product formula. It is used to determine the component of one vector in the direction of the other vector. In the cross product formula, cos(theta) is used to find the magnitude of the resulting vector.

How does cos(theta) affect the magnitude of the resulting vector?

The value of cos(theta) can range from -1 to 1, depending on the angle between the vectors. When cos(theta) is 1, the resulting vector will have the same magnitude as the two original vectors. When cos(theta) is 0, the resulting vector will have a magnitude of 0. And when cos(theta) is -1, the resulting vector will have the magnitude of the negative of one of the original vectors.

Can cos(theta) be negative in multiplying vectors?

Yes, cos(theta) can be negative in the dot product formula. This happens when the angle between the vectors is greater than 90 degrees. In the cross product formula, cos(theta) can only be positive since the magnitude of the resulting vector is always positive.

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