Potential Energy to bring in sphere from infinity

In summary, the conversation discusses a problem in cosmology involving a uniform sphere with a given mass and radius. The goal is to calculate the work done to bring in the remainder of the mass from infinity and show that the self-potential energy of the mass is equal to -\frac{3}{5} \frac{GM^{2}}{R}. The conversation also includes a discussion on using integral calculus and the equations for force and work to derive the solution, as well as clarifying the concept of uniform mass distribution.
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Sentin3l
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Homework Statement



Given a uniform sphere of mass M and radius R. Use integral calculus and start with a mass dm in the sphere. Calculate the work done to bring in the remainder of the mass from infinity. By this technique show that the self-potential energy of the mass is:

[itex] P = -\frac{3}{5} \frac{GM^{2}}{R}[/itex]​



Homework Equations



[itex] W = \int\vec{F} \bullet d\vec{r} [/itex]
[itex] F = \frac{GMm}{r^{2}} [/itex]​


The Attempt at a Solution



First let me say that this is a cosmology question. I began by considering a differential mass near or at the center of the sphere. Using the above equations for force and work, I derived:

[itex] W = - \int \frac{GM(dm)}{r^{2}} \hat{r} [/itex]​

Since the sphere is uniform, it has a constant mass to radius ratio [itex] λ = \frac{M}{R} = \frac{dm}{dr} [/itex]. So using this I found:


[itex] W = -λ\int \frac{GM}{r^{2}}dr = -3λ \frac{GM}{r^{3}} [/itex]​

If we substitute [itex] λ = \frac {M}{R} [/itex] and [itex] r=R[/itex], we get the result:

[itex] W = -3 \frac{GM^{2}}{R^{3}}[/itex]​

Here is where i think I went wrong, I don't know if I need to deal with [itex]\hat{r}[/itex] and if so, I'm not sure how to approach that.

I think that once I get the work, you use the work-energy theorem, and intial/final KE is 0 so the potential energy equals the work, please correct me if I'm wrong in that.
 
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Sentin3l said:
Since the sphere is uniform, it has a constant mass to radius ratio [itex] λ = \frac{M}{R} = \frac{dm}{dr} [/itex].

Uniform mass distribution means that the mass to volume ratio is constant.
 
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The problem is worded kind of strangely. Consider when the mass that's already been brought in occupies a sphere of radius ##r##. How much work is required to bring in the mass to increase the radius by dr?
 
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TSny said:
Uniform mass distribution means that the mass to volume ratio is constant.
Should I use my previous integral, taking note that [itex] dV = 4 \pi r^{2} dr [/itex] ?
vela said:
The problem is worded kind of strangely. Consider when the mass that's already been brought in occupies a sphere of radius ##r##. How much work is required to bring in the mass to increase the radius by dr?

I agree that the problem is worded strangely, it's a recurring problem with this textbook. Also I'm not sure what your mean in your suggestion, did you mean "How much work is required to bring in the mass to decrease the radius by dr"?
 
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No. Why would you want to decrease the amount of mass there when you're building it up?
 
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I have solved the problem, thanks to you both for the assistance.
 

FAQ: Potential Energy to bring in sphere from infinity

What is potential energy?

Potential energy is the energy that an object possesses due to its position or configuration. It is the energy that an object has the potential to convert into other forms of energy, such as kinetic energy.

How is potential energy related to bringing a sphere from infinity?

Potential energy is related to bringing a sphere from infinity because it is the energy that is required to move an object from an infinite distance away to a specific point in space. In this case, it is the energy needed to bring a sphere from an infinite distance away to a fixed position.

What is the formula for calculating potential energy?

The formula for calculating potential energy is PE = mgh, where m is the mass of the object, g is the acceleration due to gravity, and h is the height or distance from a reference point.

How does the potential energy of a sphere change as it is brought from infinity to a fixed point?

As the sphere is brought from infinity to a fixed point, the potential energy decreases. This is because the sphere is moving closer to the reference point, and therefore, the height or distance (h) in the potential energy formula decreases, resulting in a smaller potential energy value.

What are some real-life examples of potential energy being converted into other forms of energy?

Some examples of potential energy being converted into other forms of energy include a roller coaster car at the top of a hill (potential energy converted into kinetic energy), a stretched rubber band (potential energy converted into elastic potential energy), and a stretched spring (potential energy converted into elastic potential energy).

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