Red shift frequency from a black hole

In summary: Therefore, the event horizon remains a fixed distance for all frequencies of light. In summary, the conversation discusses the relationship between the frequency of light and the event horizon of a black hole. It is determined that the event horizon remains a fixed distance for all frequencies of light due to the extreme curvature of spacetime beyond it. The equations used for calculations are also discussed, with the conclusion that the correct relativistic equation must be used. There is also a mention of the lack of "gravitational potential energy" in general relativity.
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Tyro
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Can someone tell me if these statements are right/wrong, and if wrong, why they are wrong?

Lets say you have a light (or more generally, EM) source a distance r from a black hole's core, with r > event horizon radius.

As you move closer towards the black hole, since the energy of a photon = hf, with h = constant, and the gravitational PE varies as 1/r...therefore the frequency fall due to red shifting falls as 1/r as well.

I get this equation relating the frequencies at 2 points and the radius from the black hole: (f1 - f2)/(f1 + f2) = GM(1/r1 - 1/r2)

If the above are true, then the event horizon for different frequencies of light varies. High frequency EM radiation will have a larger event horizon than low frequency EM radiation.

AFAIK, the event horizon is a fixed distance for light...

Am I looking at the problem too "classically"?
 
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This is more a general relativity question than an astronomy question ...

Originally posted by Tyro
As you move closer towards the black hole, since the energy of a photon = hf, with h = constant, and the gravitational PE varies as 1/r...therefore the frequency fall due to red shifting falls as 1/r as well.

There isn't really "gravitational potential energy" in general relativity.


I get this equation relating the frequencies at 2 points and the radius from the black hole: (f1 - f2)/(f1 + f2) = GM(1/r1 - 1/r2)

You're using Newtonian gravity to do these calculations. The correct relativistic equation is:

f2/f1 = √[(1-2GM/(c2r1))/(1-2GM/(c2r2))]


If the above are true, then the event horizon for different frequencies of light varies.


The location of the event horizon is independent of the frequency of light.
 
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Another way of looking at the event horizon is looking at how spacetime curves once you go past it. An escape velocity of c, according to GR, denotes such an extreme curvature of spacetime that it literally doubles back on itself. So, it doesn't matter what the light's frequency is, beyond the event horizon nothing can escape the curvature of spacetime.
 

FAQ: Red shift frequency from a black hole

How does red shift frequency from a black hole affect the light emitted from surrounding objects?

The redshift frequency from a black hole causes the light emitted from surrounding objects to appear stretched and shifted towards the red end of the spectrum. This is due to the strong gravitational pull of the black hole, which causes the light to lose energy as it travels towards us.

Is the red shift frequency from a black hole the same for all types of light?

No, the red shift frequency from a black hole can vary depending on the type of light. For example, infrared light may experience a larger redshift compared to visible light.

Can we use red shift frequency to measure the size of a black hole?

Yes, the red shift frequency can be used to estimate the size of a black hole. The larger the redshift, the stronger the gravitational pull of the black hole, indicating a larger size.

Does the red shift frequency from a black hole change over time?

Yes, the red shift frequency from a black hole can change over time. As the black hole grows or consumes surrounding matter, the redshift can increase or decrease.

How does the red shift frequency from a black hole provide evidence for the expansion of the universe?

The red shift frequency from a black hole is a result of the Doppler effect, which is also observed in the light from distant galaxies. This redshift indicates that the universe is expanding, as the light from these galaxies is stretched as it travels through the expanding space.

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