Simple kinematics with friction

In summary, the conversation discusses a scenario in which a force is applied to a stack of two blocks with a kinetic coefficient of friction between them. The goal is to find the final velocity of the center of mass of the system in terms of the given values and g. Two methods are presented, with the second method being simpler and not involving uk or g. There is a question about whether there is a simplification step that can link the two methods.
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Homework Statement


A stack of two blocks sits on a frictionless surface; however, between the two blocks is a kinetic coefficient of friction μk. External force F is applied to the top block. During the time the force is applied, the top block is displaced by x1, and the bottom block is displaced by x2. Assume enough force is applied that x1 > x2. What is the final velocity of the center of mass of the system in terms of the values above and g?

Homework Equations


Fnet = ma and the standard kinematics equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Since force is constant, acceleration is constant and x1 = 1/2at2 where a = F/m - ukg. Solving for t, we get t = √(2x1/(F/m - ukg). Also, vfinal = 2vavg = 2 * (x1/t + x2/t) / 2 = something with uk and g in it.

The smarter method is just to use F = ma and acm = F/2m. The final position of the center of mass is x1+x2/2 and using v2f - v2i = 2ad we get vcm = √F/2m * (x1 + x2) which doesn't involve uk or g at all.

I'm wondering whether there's a the top method is wrong or if there's a simplification step that would link the two answers.
 
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For me, the 2nd method is totally fine.

For the 1st method, can you explain whether it is a=(F/m)-ukg or it is a=F/(m-ukg)?
 

Related to Simple kinematics with friction

1. What is simple kinematics with friction?

Simple kinematics with friction is a branch of physics that studies the motion of objects on surfaces with friction. It involves applying the principles of kinematics, which is the study of motion without considering the forces causing the motion, to objects moving on surfaces with friction. This is important in understanding the behavior of objects in our everyday lives, such as cars driving on roads or a person walking on a sidewalk.

2. How is friction involved in simple kinematics?

Friction is a force that opposes motion between two surfaces in contact. In simple kinematics with friction, friction is taken into account when describing the motion of an object. The amount of friction depends on factors such as the roughness of the surface and the weight of the object. It can either slow down or speed up an object's motion, and can also change the direction of motion.

3. What is the difference between static and kinetic friction?

Static friction is the force that prevents an object from moving when a force is applied to it. It is equal in magnitude to the force applied, but in the opposite direction. Kinetic friction, on the other hand, is the force that opposes an object's motion when it is already moving. It is usually weaker than static friction and depends on the type of surface and the speed of the object.

4. How do you calculate the net force on an object with friction?

To calculate the net force on an object with friction, you need to take into account all the forces acting on the object. This includes the applied force, the force of gravity, and the force of friction. The net force is the vector sum of these forces, and it determines the acceleration of the object. If the net force is zero, the object will remain at rest or continue moving at a constant velocity.

5. How does friction affect the acceleration of an object?

Friction can either increase or decrease the acceleration of an object. When the force of friction is in the same direction as the applied force, it decreases the acceleration of the object. This is because the force of friction acts in the opposite direction of motion, making it harder for the object to move. On the other hand, if the force of friction is in the opposite direction of the applied force, it can increase the acceleration of the object by helping it move in the desired direction.

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