Solving Commuting Operator Equations: Understanding Lz and T in Atoms

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In summary, the conversation discusses the commutative properties of operators and how they relate to wavefunctions in atoms. The question is posed to show that Lz commutes with T and it is mentioned that T may refer to a previously used kinetic operator. It is also explained that A and B only commute if it holds for all wave functions, and an example is given to illustrate this concept. The solution to the example is to write out Lz.T.psi and T.Lz.psi and see if they are the same.
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Hi there,

I'm neither a physicist or a mathematician, so I'm having a bit of trouble understanding commutative properties of operators. Here is an example question, if anyone could help show me how to solve it, it would be greatly appreciated.

Show that Lz commutes with T and rationalize that in atoms, wavefunctions are eigenfunctions of Lz. Lz is given, but T is not. T may refer to a previously used kinetic operator for HeH+, or it may just be a general kinetic operator.

Lz = - i*hBar(x*d/dy - y*d/dx)

Given an actual wavefunction, I could solve this (I think), but I don't have a clue what to do without one.

Thanks
 
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If A and B are operators then to say that A and B commute is to say that for any state psi, A.B.psi = B.A.psi. In general you don't need a specific wave function to show this: A and B only commute if it holds for *all* wave functions. For example momentum and position don't commute because

P.X.psi = (d/dx)(x * psi(x)) = psi(x) + x * psi'(x) while
X.P.psi = x * (d/dx psi(x)) = x * psi'(x) which is different.

So just write out Lz.T.psi and T.Lz.psi as above and see if they're the same.
 

FAQ: Solving Commuting Operator Equations: Understanding Lz and T in Atoms

What is the purpose of solving commuting operator equations?

The purpose of solving commuting operator equations is to understand the behavior of atoms, specifically the angular momentum and kinetic energy operators. By solving these equations, we can better understand the structure and properties of atoms, which has important implications in fields such as quantum mechanics and chemistry.

What is Lz and T in atoms?

Lz and T are both operators used to describe the properties of atoms. Lz is the operator for angular momentum, which is a measure of how an atom rotates around a fixed axis. T is the operator for kinetic energy, which is a measure of the energy an atom possesses due to its motion.

Why are Lz and T considered commuting operators?

Lz and T are considered commuting operators because they have the property that their commutator, or the result of applying one operator to the other, is equal to zero. This means that they can be solved simultaneously, making it easier to understand the behavior of atoms.

How are commuting operator equations solved?

Commuting operator equations are solved using mathematical techniques such as matrix algebra and eigenvalue equations. These techniques allow us to find the eigenvalues, or possible values for the operators, and the corresponding eigenvectors, which represent the state of the atom at a given time.

What are some applications of understanding Lz and T in atoms?

The understanding of Lz and T in atoms has many applications, including in the development of new materials, the design of electronic devices, and the study of chemical reactions. It also has implications in fields such as quantum computing and nuclear energy.

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