Solving the Mystery of Relativistic Length

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In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of length contraction in Einstein's theory of relativity. The main point of confusion is the idea that length contraction is based on what is seen by the observer, rather than the difference in position of the front and back of the object at simultaneous moments in the observer's frame. The speaker suggests using synchronized clocks or factoring out light signal delays to accurately measure length contraction. There is also mention of potential misunderstandings and a request for a simple explanation.
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I have been trying to read Einstein's small book on relativity and to work out the results for myself, but I seem to be getting to the wrong conclusions. In Chapter 12 he says "The rigid rod is thus shorter when in motion than when at rest, and the more quickly it is moving, the shorter the rod." For a train moving away from the observer on the emankment, that seems to be right, but is the train is coming towards you, it seems to me it should be longer. Imagine you are standing by the track as the front of a train, say one light year long relative to a man on the train measuring it, and traveling at 1/3 the speed of light reaches you. The point on the embankment where the back of the train would be "simultaneously", relative to you, would be much further than one light year away from you because the light would take a while to arrive.

In fact I make it that the length would be 1 + 1/3 + 1/9 + 1/27...= 1.5 light years.
If the speed of the train was 1/N the speed of light the length would be N/N-1 times its length at rest.

If the train was going away from you it would be shorter, N/N+1 times its length at rest, in this particular case, 1 - 1/3 + 1/9 - 1/27...

Obviously these are the wrong results. Have I 1. miscalculated something or 2. misunderstood what is meant by relativistic length or 3. is this result in fact directional, putting -v for v if it is coming towards you?

Can someone please sort me out? Simple explanation please! Many thanks in anticipation.
 
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You're misunderstanding the nature of length contraction, it's not based on what you see using your eyes, which is affected by different light-signal delays from sections at different distances from you; rather, length contraction is based on the difference between the position of the front and back of the object at simultaneous moments in your frame. One way to find this would be to have an array of clocks which were at rest and synchronized in your frame, so that if the back of the object was passing next to a clock 12 meters from you when that clock read 49 seconds, and the front of the object was passing next to a clock 6 meters from you when that clock read 49 seconds, you could conclude the object was 6 meters in length. Another way of doing it would be to note when the light from the front and back passing by markers at different distances from you reached your eyes, and then factor out the light signal delays--if I see the front of the object passing a marker 5 light years away in 2020, and then I see the back of the object passing a marker 10 light years away in 2025, by subtracting the light-delays I can conclude that in my frame both these events "really" happened simultaneously in 2015, and thus the object must be 5 light-years long in my frame.
 
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Many thanks JesseM
 

FAQ: Solving the Mystery of Relativistic Length

What is relativistic length and why is it important to solve its mystery?

Relativistic length refers to the length of an object as measured by an observer in a different frame of reference, taking into account the effects of special relativity. It is important to solve its mystery because it helps us understand the fundamental nature of space and time, and has practical applications in fields such as astrophysics and aerospace engineering.

How does special relativity affect the length of an object?

According to special relativity, the length of an object appears to be shorter when it is moving at high speeds relative to an observer. This is known as length contraction, and it is a result of the time dilation and space-time curvature predicted by Einstein's theory of relativity.

What are some experimental evidence for relativistic length contraction?

There have been numerous experiments to confirm the predictions of special relativity, including the famous Michelson-Morley experiment and the Hafele-Keating experiment. In both cases, the observed results were consistent with the predictions of length contraction.

Can relativistic length contraction be observed in everyday life?

Yes, the effects of length contraction can be observed in everyday life, although they are typically very small at non-relativistic speeds. For example, the length of a moving train or car appears to be slightly shorter to a stationary observer than to a passenger inside the vehicle.

Is there a limit to how much an object's length can contract due to special relativity?

Yes, there is a limit known as the Lorentz factor, which is represented by the symbol γ. As an object approaches the speed of light, its length will appear to contract by a factor of γ, but it can never actually reach zero length. This is one of the fundamental principles of special relativity.

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