Struggling with arc-connectedness

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In summary, the conversation discusses a proof for showing that a non-empty subset ##P## of an arc-connected subset ##A## of a finite-dimensional normed vector space ##(E,N)##, which is both open and closed in ##A##, is equal to ##A##. The conversation involves using a contradiction proof and a continuous function to arrive at this conclusion.
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Homework Statement



Let ##(E,N)## a finite dimensional normed vector space. Let ##A## be an arc-connected subset of ##E##, and ##P## be a non-empty subset of ##A## that is both open and close in ##A##. Show that ##P=A##

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By contradiction, I assume ##P\neq A##, which is ##C_A(P) \neq \emptyset##.

I'd like to find a continuous function from ##A## to a subset of ##S## of ## \mathbb{R}## that is not a segment.
This would be a contradiction because the image of an arc-connected set by a continuous function is arc-connected, and the arc-connected sets of ##\mathbb{R}## are segments.

I tried with the caracteristic function of ##P##, but I believe it doesn't work because for any open set ##O## of ##\mathbb{R}##, ##f^{-1}(O)\in\{\emptyset, P,C_A(P), A \}##, and for now, I can't convince myself that ##C_A(P)## is an open set of ##A##.

Do you have any idea please ?
 
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I tried with the caracteristic function of ##P##, but I believe it doesn't work because for any open set ##O## of ##\mathbb{R}##, ##f^{-1}(O)\in\{\emptyset, P,C_A(P), A \}##, and for now, I can't convince myself that ##C_A(P)## is an open set of ##A##.
I think you are almost there ...
Think of all the known properties of ##P##.
 
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I think that thanks to you, I have that last point that bothered me :
Since ##P## is closed in ##A##, there exists a closed set ##C## of ## E## such that ## P = C \cap A##.
So ##C_A(P) = C_E(P) \cap A = (C_E(C) \cup C_E(A))\cap A = C_E(C) \cap A ##.
But ##C_E(C)## is an open set of ##E##. Therefore ##C_A(P) ## is open in ##A##.

So now I am sure that the caracteristic function is continuous from ##A\rightarrow \{0,1\}## which is absurd because ##\{0,1\}## is not arc-connected.

Do you agree ?
 
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geoffrey159 said:
I think that thanks to you, I have that last point that bothered me :
Since ##P## is closed in ##A##, there exists a closed set ##C## of ## E## such that ## P = C \cap A##.
So ##C_A(P) = C_E(P) \cap A = (C_E(C) \cup C_E(A))\cap A = C_E(C) \cap A ##.
But ##C_E(C)## is an open set of ##E##. Therefore ##C_A(P) ## is open in ##A##.

So now I am sure that the caracteristic function is continuous from ##A\rightarrow \{0,1\}## which is absurd because ##\{0,1\}## is not arc-connected.

Do you agree ?
Yes, looks OK to me.
 
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Thanks!
 

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What is arc-connectedness?

Arc-connectedness is a mathematical concept used to describe the continuity of a curve or path. It refers to the property of being able to connect two points on a curve or path through a continuous path without lifting the pen or pencil.

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