The fundemental forces: four or three?

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In summary, the fundamental forces are currently counted as four, with the electromagnetic and weak forces being unified. This is because the number of independent "coupling strengths" of the interactions determines the counting of the forces. The symmetry group representing the four interactions is (locally) SO(3,1)xSU(3)xSU(2)xU(1), with each interaction having its own coupling parameter. However, some theories propose a unification of these interactions, such as the grand unified theories where the three interactions are a subgroup of a larger group with a single coupling parameter. The electroweak unification is not considered a true unification in this sense, but rather a blending of two types of interactions (electromagnetism
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The fundamental forces: four or three?

They still counting them as four though the the elctromagnatic and the weak have been unified.

so why not three?

thanks
 
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The counting goes according to the number of independent ``coupling strengths" of the interactions. There is one coupling parameter for each ``simple or abelian" group factor in the full symmetry group representing the interactions. The symmetry group describing the four interactions, with their 4 independent couplings, is (locally) SO(3,1)xSU(3)xSU(2)xU(1), representing gravitation, and the strong and electroweak interactions, respectively. This is the clean way of defining distinct interactions. One meaning of a ``unified theory" is then when some of these symmetry group factors sit inside a larger group, such as the ``grand unified theories" obtained when the three interactions represented by SU(3)xSU(2)xU(1) are a subgroup of a larger group, like SU(5), which has a single coupling parameter associated with it. So the electroweak ``unification" is not a unification in this sense.
So in what sense is it? Prior to the electroweak model, it was not known whether the weak interaction could be described with the same kind of symmetry (gauge) principle as electromagnetism; when it turned out that electromagnetism and the weak interaction were a blend of the two types of interactions collectively called the electroweak interactions, associated with the SU(2)xU(1) symmetry group, people called this a type of unification.
 
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thank you Javier, but sorry, I know nothing about group theory!

did you mean they are unified under another theory that doesn't describe the other interactions?
 

FAQ: The fundemental forces: four or three?

1. What are the fundamental forces?

The fundamental forces are the four basic interactions that govern the behavior of matter in the universe. They are gravity, electromagnetism, strong nuclear force, and weak nuclear force.

2. How do the fundamental forces differ from each other?

The fundamental forces differ in terms of their strength, range, and the types of particles they act upon. Gravity is the weakest force but has an infinite range and acts on all particles with mass. Electromagnetism is stronger and acts on particles with electric charge. The strong nuclear force is the strongest but has a short range and acts on particles called quarks. The weak nuclear force is responsible for certain types of radioactive decay and is also short-range.

3. How were the fundamental forces discovered?

The fundamental forces were discovered through observations, experiments, and theoretical calculations. For example, gravity was first described by Isaac Newton in the 17th century through his law of universal gravitation. Electromagnetism was discovered by Michael Faraday in the 19th century through his experiments with electric and magnetic fields. The strong and weak nuclear forces were discovered through experiments with particle accelerators in the 20th century.

4. Can the fundamental forces be unified into one theory?

Scientists have been working towards a unified theory, also known as the Theory of Everything, which would combine all four fundamental forces into one framework. While there have been some promising theoretical models, a complete and proven theory has not yet been achieved.

5. What is the role of the fundamental forces in the universe?

The fundamental forces play a crucial role in the structure and interactions of matter in the universe. They are responsible for everything from the formation of stars and galaxies to the interactions between atoms and molecules. Without these forces, the universe as we know it would not exist.

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