UM: No Calculus in 200 Level Physics Courses - Is This Normal?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the use of calculus in a 200 level physics course. The original poster is taking a course on Electricity & Magnetism and was surprised to find that there is very little calculus involved, aside from a few equations. The other participant explains that this is normal for undergraduate level courses and that there are shortcuts to avoid using flux integrals. The course is using the Giancolli Physics book and the title is "Physics for Scientists and Engineers". The conversation also briefly touches on the course numbering scheme and different textbooks with the same title.
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No Calculus??

I'm taking 200 level courses in physics right now, and I noticed that there is absolutely no calculus involved in the teaching. The book we use has it, but the instructor doesn't use it. Aside from a B x dl or E x dA here and there, there's nothing. Is that normal?

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What is the name of the course?
 
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I'm guessing Electricity & Magnetism.

It is normal for undergraduate level, since there are shortcuts so that you don't need flux integrals and all the complicated math reduces to simple algebra
 
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Yeah, it's 202 E & M right now.

That's a relief. I've been screwed before by teachers who thought I didn't need this or that, only to need it in the next class. =/

PL

EDIT: Besides, the course is hard enough as it is. :)
 
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Keep in mind that the term "200-level" course really holds no meaning for most of us since every university has a completely different course numbering scheme. What's more useful is the name of the course, maybe a brief description from the catalog, and the name of the textbook(s) you're using.
 
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Oh, I didn't know that. I thought it went by years, first year 100, 2nd 200, etc. (although this is my first year in college, I took HS physics).

We use Giancolli (sp?) 3rd edition physics book.

PL

EDIT: The title is "Physics for Scientists and Engineers"
 
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Poop-Loops said:
Oh, I didn't know that. I thought it went by years, first year 100, 2nd 200, etc. (although this is my first year in college, I took HS physics).

We use Giancolli (sp?) 3rd edition physics book.

PL

EDIT: The title is "Physics for Scientists and Engineers"

There are multiple books with that title, mine is by Knight.

My university uses 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000, etc.
 

FAQ: UM: No Calculus in 200 Level Physics Courses - Is This Normal?

Why are there no calculus requirements for 200 level physics courses?

The decision to not include calculus in 200 level physics courses is typically based on the intended audience for these courses. These courses are often designed for students who are pursuing a major in a field other than physics, so the focus is on developing a conceptual understanding of key physics principles rather than on mathematical rigor.

Will I still be able to understand and succeed in higher level physics courses without a calculus background?

Yes, it is possible to understand and succeed in higher level physics courses without a strong calculus background. Many universities offer introductory calculus-based physics courses for students who are pursuing a physics major or have a strong interest in the subject. These courses will cover the necessary mathematical concepts and prepare students for more advanced physics courses.

Are there any disadvantages to not having calculus in 200 level physics courses?

One potential disadvantage is that students may not develop a strong foundation in applying mathematical concepts to solve physics problems. This could make it more challenging for them to transition to higher level physics courses or to apply physics principles in other fields. However, this can also be overcome by taking additional math courses or seeking additional support from professors and tutors.

Can I still pursue a career in physics without taking calculus in 200 level courses?

Yes, it is possible to pursue a career in physics without taking calculus in 200 level courses. However, it may be necessary to take additional math courses or seek out resources to strengthen one's mathematical skills in order to succeed in higher level physics courses and in the field of physics as a whole.

Is this a common practice in other universities?

Yes, it is common for universities to offer introductory physics courses without calculus for students who are not majoring in physics. However, the specific requirements and curriculum may vary from university to university.

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