What is the energy lost when a body falls onto a moving cart without friction?

The total energy at the start is mgh + 0.5MV^2. The final energy is 0.5(m+M)(Uy^2 + Ux^2). So, the energy lost is mgh + 0.5MV^2 - 0.5(m+M)(Uy^2 + Ux^2).In summary, in the conversation, the problem involves a cart with mass M and velocity V, and a body with mass m falling onto it from a height of H and sticking to it. The question is how much energy is lost to heat, assuming no friction. The solution involves using equations for momentum and energy, but an incorrect equation is provided and the correct equation
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devanlevin
a cart with a mass of M is moving at velocity V, a body with a mass of m falls onto the cart from a height of H and sticks to it, how much energy was lost (to heat), there is no friction.

i said that, since the mass freefalls, its velocity at the moment of impact is[tex]\sqrt{2gh}[/tex]

the momentum doesn't change so
MV+0=(m+M)Ux
0+m[tex]\sqrt{2gh}[/tex]=(m+M)Uy

is this correct? will the cart have velocity on y axis??
if there is no friction how is Ux<V

then find the total energy at the start, which is mgh+0.5MV[tex]^{2}[/tex], and subtract it from the energy at the end 0.5(m+M)[Uy[tex]^{2}[/tex]+Ux[tex]^{2}[/tex]]

is this correct

the answer in my book is

Q=mgh+V^2[tex]\frac{Mm}{2(m+M}[/tex]
 
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devanlevin said:
a cart with a mass of M is moving at velocity V, a body with a mass of m falls onto the cart from a height of H and sticks to it, how much energy was lost (to heat), there is no friction.

i said that, since the mass freefalls, its velocity at the moment of impact is[tex]\sqrt{2gh}[/tex]

the momentum doesn't change so
MV+0=(m+M)Ux
0+m[tex]\sqrt{2gh}[/tex]=(m+M)Uy

This last equation is not correct. These equations represent the momentum of the masses m and M, but there is an external force in the y direction (from the ground). So the y-momentum is not conserved because the ground prevents the cart from moving in the y-direction.


is this correct? will the cart have velocity on y axis??
if there is no friction how is Ux<V

then find the total energy at the start, which is mgh+0.5MV[tex]^{2}[/tex], and subtract it from the energy at the end 0.5(m+M)[Uy[tex]^{2}[/tex]+Ux[tex]^{2}[/tex]]

It's the other way around; energy lost is Ei-Ef
 
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Your approach to solving this problem is mostly correct. However, there are a few things that need to be clarified and corrected.

First, at the moment of impact, the body's velocity will not be equal to \sqrt{2gh}. The body is falling from a height of H, but it is also moving horizontally with the cart's velocity, V. This means that the body's velocity at the moment of impact will be the vector sum of the two velocities, given by the equation \sqrt{V^2+(2gh)^2}.

Second, the momentum does change at the moment of impact. Before the impact, the cart has momentum MV and the body has momentum 0. After the impact, the combined system of the cart and body has momentum (m+M)U, where U is the final velocity of the system. This is due to the conservation of momentum, which states that the total momentum of a system remains constant in the absence of external forces.

Third, the final velocity of the system, U, will have both x and y components. The x component will be equal to V, as there is no friction to slow down the cart's motion. The y component can be calculated using the equation you provided: 0 + m\sqrt{2gh} = (m+M)Uy.

Finally, to calculate the energy lost to heat, you need to subtract the final energy of the system from the initial energy. The final energy can be calculated using the equation 0.5(m+M)(Ux^2+Uy^2). The initial energy is equal to mgh + 0.5MV^2. Subtracting these two values will give you the energy lost to heat.

In summary, your approach is on the right track, but there are a few corrections and clarifications that need to be made. The correct answer can be found by using the equation Q = mgh + 0.5MV^2 - 0.5(m+M)(Ux^2+Uy^2).
 

FAQ: What is the energy lost when a body falls onto a moving cart without friction?

What is the concept of "energy lost" in this scenario?

The concept of "energy lost" refers to the decrease in the total energy of a system due to factors such as friction, heat, or other forms of energy transfer. In this scenario, the energy lost would be the difference between the initial potential energy of the falling body and the final kinetic energy of the moving cart.

How does friction affect the energy lost in this situation?

In this scenario, friction would act as a force opposing the motion of the falling body and the moving cart. As a result, some of the initial potential energy of the falling body would be converted into heat and sound energy, causing a decrease in the total energy of the system.

What is the relationship between the mass of the falling body and the energy lost?

The mass of the falling body does not directly affect the energy lost in this situation. However, a heavier body would have a greater initial potential energy, resulting in a larger difference between the initial and final energies of the system.

Is the energy lost when a body falls onto a moving cart without friction always the same?

No, the energy lost would vary depending on factors such as the height from which the body falls, the mass of the body, and the speed of the moving cart. These variables would affect the initial potential and final kinetic energies, thus resulting in different amounts of energy lost.

Can the energy lost in this scenario be recovered?

In an ideal scenario without any external factors such as friction, the energy lost would be fully recovered as the moving cart and the body would continue to move with no loss of energy. However, in a real-world scenario, some energy would be lost due to factors such as friction and could not be fully recovered.

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