Why Does the Ice Layer on Lakes Regulate Water Temperature?

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In summary, the floating ice layer slows down the freezing process by the square of its thickness. This is important for life, as otherwise many lakes/seas would freeze continually.
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Why is there liquid water under the floating ice layer?

I know the answer has to do with ice being less dense than water and its high specific heat(H bonds), but I cannot understand how this layer regulates the temperature of the liquid water that exists under it.
 
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It doesn't regulate temperature per se. It isolates and slows down freezing of the water, but in general if you wait long enough and the temperature is low enough, every lake will freeze, fro top to bottom.

Sure, there can be source of heat below, and if the ice layer is thick enough freezing point goes down, so in some particular places water will not freeze, bute these are special cases.
 
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Thanks for your answer.

So, If I understood it correctly, water slows down freezing because of its high specific heat, H fond release energy when they form(iff temperature drops) and they absorb energy when they break(iff temperature increases), right?

I still have problems understanding it considering the fact that these H bonds last only 10^-11 seconds, which was my other question[1], it would be great if you could take a look at it too. :)

[1] - https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=234950
 
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Another important factor is that water has it's lowest density at 4deg C
so as water cools it falls to the bottom of the lake, but when the water drops below 4C it will rise toward the surface and so lakes freeze from the top down.
Because the warmer water is denser there is no convection current and the water at the bottom can only cool through conduction which isn't very effective.

This is an important feature for life - otherwise many lakes/seas would freeze continually.
 
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the layer of ice formed above acts as an insulator to minimise further freezing downwards.
 
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You are all wrong!
Water's volume decreases upto 4 degree C
And below that it increases all of a sudden(Anomalous expansion of water)
This stops the total freezing
 
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Drik Paul said:
You are all wrong!
Water's volume decreases upto 4 degree C
And below that it increases all of a sudden(Anomalous expansion of water)
This stops the total freezing

Are you saying that a lake cannot freeze solid? What about a pond? A skating rink? An ice cube?
 
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Drik Paul said:
You are all wrong!
Water's volume decreases upto 4 degree C
And below that it increases all of a sudden(Anomalous expansion of water)
This stops the total freezing
Correction:

Liquid water has its volume at a minimum at 4C, true. Below that, it begins expanding - until it reaches 0C. Then it freezes - and then its volume begins to decrease again.

But ... this is not what stops total freezing. Nothing stops it. But the effects of floating ice do slow the process greatly.
 
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Ice floats, as already noted. More importantly, it inhibits convection of heat to the atmosphere, as also noted. As water underneath the 'skin' of ice cools, it sinks, mixing with warmer subsurface waters. This inhibits the freezing process by roughly the square of the surface ice thickness.
 
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montoyas7940 said:
Are you saying that a lake cannot freeze solid? What about a pond? A skating rink? An ice cube?

You got it right. Small lakes (think depth less than frost line) do freeze solid.
 
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TVP45 said:
You got it right. Small lakes (think depth less than frost line) do freeze solid.
Yes, it's Drik Paul that needs correcting.
 
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Chronos said:
This inhibits the freezing process by roughly the square of the surface ice thickness.

Perhaps my English fails me, but I don't understand what you wrote. As far as I understand word "inhibit" it means in this context "to stop freezing". You can't stop freezing by some amount? Do you mean it slows down the freezing? Square suggests you simply refer to the speed at which heat is transferred through the layer of ice of given thickness?
 
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(of course, I am inhibited …)

Borek said:
Perhaps my English fails me, but I don't understand what you wrote. As far as I understand word "inhibit" it means in this context "to stop freezing".

According to my Pocket Oxford Dictionary, "inhibit" can also mean "hinder" or "restrain" … in my experience, that is the usual meaning. :smile:
 

FAQ: Why Does the Ice Layer on Lakes Regulate Water Temperature?

Why do some lakes freeze completely while others do not?

There are several factors that contribute to whether a lake will freeze completely or not. The depth and size of the lake, as well as the water's salinity and circulation patterns, all play a role in determining how quickly a lake will freeze. Additionally, the surrounding climate and weather conditions, such as temperature and wind, also affect the freezing process.

How does the salinity of a lake impact its freezing point?

The freezing point of water decreases as the salinity (salt content) increases. This means that a lake with a higher salinity will have a lower freezing point, making it less likely to freeze completely. However, even lakes with high salinity can still freeze if the surrounding climate is cold enough.

Why do lakes often form a layer of ice on top instead of freezing solid?

When water freezes, it becomes less dense and floats on top of the liquid water. This means that as ice forms on the surface of a lake, it insulates the water below and prevents it from freezing. As a result, the lake may only have a thin layer of ice on top instead of freezing solid.

Why do some lakes freeze more quickly than others?

The rate at which a lake freezes depends on several factors, including its depth, size, and water circulation. In general, shallow lakes with little water movement will freeze faster than deep lakes with strong currents. Additionally, lakes in colder climates will freeze more quickly than those in warmer climates.

Can lakes freeze solid in warmer climates?

Yes, lakes in warmer climates can freeze solid, but it is less common due to the milder temperatures. However, if a cold front moves through and brings very low temperatures, even lakes in warmer climates can freeze solid. This is because the freezing point of water is the same regardless of the climate, so if the temperature drops low enough, the lake will freeze.

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