Why Is There a Reaction Force in the Upper Pulley but Not in System 1?

[jeremy222]

Homework Statement

m(1) is 20kg
m(2) is 30kg
gravity use 10
U static is .6
u kinetic is .4

Homework Equations

Basically my professor gave the answer to the question in the link along with the picture. The only problem is that i am not sure he did case three right and i am after spending hoursl ooking at it i am not sure why there is a reaction force in the upper pulley and not in system 1. I am confused about how the systems are different and how that changes my answer.

The Attempt at a Solution

Well i already had the answer with me so i just kept doing and trying to get the same answer but although i managed to get case 1 and 2 i don't know fi i should treat the pulleys as object or whatever else is necessary for the second system.

 

[PeterO]

Homework Statement

m(1) is 20kg
m(2) is 30kg
gravity use 10
U static is .6
u kinetic is .4

Homework Equations

Basically my professor gave the answer to the question in the link along with the picture. The only problem is that i am not sure he did case three right and i am after spending hoursl ooking at it i am not sure why there is a reaction force in the upper pulley and not in system 1. I am confused about how the systems are different and how that changes my answer.

The Attempt at a Solution

Well i already had the answer with me so i just kept doing and trying to get the same answer but although i managed to get case 1 and 2 i don't know fi i should treat the pulleys as object or whatever else is necessary for the second system.

I too was concerned with talk of reaction force from the upper pulley.

It looked to me that the vertical string would reduce the reaction force force between the big block and the ground, making it easier to move? (due to things happening at the LOWER pulley)

 

[jeremy222]

But how does the lower pulley effect everything else? I did a free body for the lower one but i don't know how that would concern the upper pulley

 

[PeterO]

But how does the lower pulley effect everything else? I did a free body for the lower one but i don't know how that would concern the upper pulley

In Option B, there are two cords going up from the lower pulley, but only one thread going down from the upper pulley. Once you provide tension in the cord that indicates twice the upward force compared to the downward force [just considering effects of Tension] so I expect a net lifting force equal to the Tension.

With no tension, the (upward) Reaction Force will be equal to the (downward0 weight force of the two blocks.

With Tension, the sum of the (upward) Tension and Reaction force should equal the (downward) weight force, so the Normal force would be reduced?

 

[asteriatic]

As a scientist, my recommendation would be to clarify any confusion with your professor and ask for further explanation on the problem. Understanding the concepts and principles behind the problem is crucial in solving it correctly. Additionally, you can also seek help from peers or online resources to gain a better understanding of the problem and its solution. It is important to approach the problem systematically and accurately, rather than just trying to get the same answer without fully understanding the process.