Questions about acceleration in SR

In summary, the world line of a rocket with constant proper acceleration in an inertial frame is a hyperbola with lightlike asymptotes. The Minkowski metric bestows upon such hyperbolas (which I will henceforth call H's) many of the properties of Euclidean circles: an H is the set of all points a fixed distance from its center, lines through the center are orthogonal to H's, two cocentric H's are equidistant from each other, and an H is parametrized by hyperbolic trig functions. Equal hyperbolic angles (with vertex at the center) sweep out equal length hyperbolic arcs. In higher dimensions, we get hyperboloids and such
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I'm going to use this thread to ask questions about acceleration in SR. I'll just ask one or two at at time.

First question: How do you calculate what the world line of a rocket with constant proper acceleration looks like in an inertial frame? Assume v=0 at t=0 and v>0 after that.
 
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Fredrik said:
I'm going to use this thread to ask questions about acceleration in SR. I'll just ask one or two at at time.

First question: How do you calculate what the world line of a rocket with constant proper acceleration looks like in an inertial frame? Assume v=0 at t=0 and v>0 after that.


Easy, just plot t on the y-axis against d on the x-axis for t>0 using this equation:

[tex]d = \frac{c^2\sqrt{1 + (at/c)^2}}{a} [/tex]

Generally a=1/d when t=0

See http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/rocket.html
 
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Thanks. I'm going to get some sleep now, but I'll have a look at it tomorrow.
 
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More geometrically... the curves of constant (proper) acceleration are hyperbolas with lightlike asymptotes. The Minkowski metric bestows upon such hyperbolas (which I will henceforth call H's) many of the properties of Euclidean circles:


An H is the set of all points a fixed distance from its center. (timelike distance or spacelike distance yield hyperbolas opening in different directions)

Lines through the center are orthogonal to H's.

Two cocentric H's are equidistant from each other.

An H is parametrized by hyperbolic trig functions.

Equal hyperbolic angles (with vertex at the center) sweep out equal length hyperbolic arcs.


In higher dimensions, we get hyperboloids and such.
 
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Hurkyl said:
More geometrically... the curves of constant (proper) acceleration are hyperbolas with lightlike asymptotes. The Minkowski metric bestows upon such hyperbolas (which I will henceforth call H's) many of the properties of Euclidean circles:


An H is the set of all points a fixed distance from its center. (timelike distance or spacelike distance yield hyperbolas opening in different directions)

Lines through the center are orthogonal to H's.

Two cocentric H's are equidistant from each other.

An H is parametrized by hyperbolic trig functions.

Equal hyperbolic angles (with vertex at the center) sweep out equal length hyperbolic arcs.


In higher dimensions, we get hyperboloids and such.

Hi, I think I understand most of your statements here but I am not clear about the "Lines through the center are orthogonal to H's." property. Could you explain in more detail referring to the diagrams here http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/math/hyperb.htm or here http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Hyperbola.html

Perhaps I am getting confused between the terms orthogonal, normal and right angles in Euclidean terms?
 
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kev said:
Hi, I think I understand most of your statements here but I am not clear about the "Lines through the center are orthogonal to H's." property.
I'm not really sure how much there is to say; if you draw a line through the center of an H, it will intersect the H in a (Minkowski) right angle. e.g. that means the (Minkowski) dot product of the vector describing the line with the tangent vector to the hyperbola is zero.

(Compare with Euclidean geometry: any radius of a circle meets that circle at a Euclidean right angle)

e.g. in your first link, in the section "Hyperbolic functions", the line segment OP intersects the hyperbola at a (Minkowski) right angle. In fact, you can 'rotate' the diagram (i.e. apply a Lorentz boost centered at O) so that the line segment OP is moved to the x-axis. Then it might be more clear that it's a right angle, since in that drawing, a Euclidean reflection about the x-axis is the same thing as a Minkowski reflection about the x-axis.

edit: clarified we are to use the Minkowski dot product, not the Euclidean one
 
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A better characterization of the hyperbola in dealing with uniform acceleration is that
the hyperbola is the "curve of constant curvature [in the Minkowski metric]".
With a Galilean metric, the corresponding "curve of constant curvature" is the parabola.
 
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Thanks guys. Your answers are helpful, but I'm not just looking for a description of the properties of a world line of constant proper acceleration. I was hoping someone would show me the trick that makes it easy to prove that these curves are hyperbolas.

I'm not even sure I have the right idea about what constant proper acceleration means. I think it means that

[tex]\frac{d^2x}{d\tau^2}=\begin{pmatrix}0 \\a\end{pmatrix}[/tex]

in every co-moving inertial frame. Is that right?
 
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Fredrik said:
I'm going to use this thread to ask questions about acceleration in SR. I'll just ask one or two at at time.

First question: How do you calculate what the world line of a rocket with constant proper acceleration looks like in an inertial frame? Assume v=0 at t=0 and v>0 after that.


Well, from the link you provided yourself: :smile: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rindler_coordinates

The Rindler coordinates guarantee that the lengths in the restframe of the accelerating
object stay the same ( otherwise, things would start breaking apart)

The first figure at the right in link demonstrates this. The number of steps in the changing
x' axis stay constant which means that the lengths in the rest frame stay constant.



Regards, Hans
 
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Hurkyl said:
I'm not really sure how much there is to say; if you draw a line through the center of an H, it will intersect the H in a (Minkowski) right angle. e.g. that means the (Minkowski) dot product of the vector describing the line with the tangent vector to the hyperbola is zero.

(Compare with Euclidean geometry: any radius of a circle meets that circle at a Euclidean right angle)

e.g. in your first link, in the section "Hyperbolic functions", the line segment OP intersects the hyperbola at a (Minkowski) right angle. In fact, you can 'rotate' the diagram (i.e. apply a Lorentz boost centered at O) so that the line segment OP is moved to the x-axis. Then it might be more clear that it's a right angle, since in that drawing, a Euclidean reflection about the x-axis is the same thing as a Minkowski reflection about the x-axis.

edit: clarified we are to use the Minkowski dot product, not the Euclidean one

Thanks Hurkyl, I get it now :smile:
 
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Hans de Vries said:
Well, from the link you provided yourself: :smile: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rindler_coordinates

The Rindler coordinates guarantee that the lengths in the restframe of the accelerating
object stay the same ( otherwise, things would start breaking apart)

The first figure at the right in link demonstrates this. The number of steps in the changing
x' axis stay constant which means that the lengths in the rest frame stay constant.
I was a little confused by your answer at first, but now I see that you must have interpreted my question in a different way than I intended. You told me what the rocket would look like, but I was trying to ask what the world line of a rocket (of zero length) would look like (t as a function of x) and why. (The why is the part I'm having problems with). I think the Wikipedia page answers the "what" but not the "why".
 
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Fredrik said:
I was a little confused by your answer at first, but now I see that you must have interpreted my question in a different way than I intended. You told me what the rocket would look like, but I was trying to ask what the world line of a rocket (of zero length) would look like (t as a function of x) and why. (The why is the part I'm having problems with). I think the Wikipedia page answers the "what" but not the "why".


(t as a function of x) would look like any of the curved worldlines in this diagram. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/RindlerObserversCartesian.png

The "why" tends to stray into philosophical arguments while the "what" is is more scientific and less disputed. As a rough handle on why the wordline curves the way it does, you could imagine a simple solid fuel rocket with a fixed nozzle that is designed to burn f Kgs of fuel per unit time. Time dilation affects slows down the chemical reactions so the when the rocket is moving it burns less fuel per unit time according to the inertial observer although it appears to burn the same amount of fuel per unit time according to the co-moving observer onboard the rocket. Another way to look at it (but more controvertial) is to consider the inertial mass of the rocket as increasing, and requiring more energy to accelerate so burning a fixed quantity of fuel per unit time causes less increase in velocity per unit time as the rockets relative velocity increases. There are probably other ways to visualise what is "really happening" which is why the "why" is much harder to nail down than the "what".
 
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Proof (part 1)

Fredrik said:
I'm going to use this thread to ask questions about acceleration in SR. I'll just ask one or two at at time.

First question: How do you calculate what the world line of a rocket with constant proper acceleration looks like in an inertial frame? Assume v=0 at t=0 and v>0 after that.

I'll restrict myself to one dimension of space, so we can consider an arbitrary particle's worldline defined by the vector (t, x) relative to a given inertial frame. Because of the way proper time [itex]\tau[/itex] is defined we know that

[tex] c^2 \left( \frac {dt}{d\tau} \right)^2 - \left( \frac {dx}{d\tau} \right)^2 = c^2 [/tex] (1)​

The properties of hyperbolic functions mean that it is possible to find a number [itex]\phi[/itex] such that

[tex] \frac {dt}{d\tau} = \cosh \phi [/tex] (2)
[tex] \frac {dx}{d\tau} = c \sinh \phi [/tex] (3)​

[itex]\phi[/itex] is called the rapidity of the particle relative to the inertial frame. At low speeds [itex]c\phi[/itex] approximates to the velocity v, which can be seen by dividing (3) by (2):

[tex] v = \frac {dx}{dt} = \frac {dx/d\tau}{dt/d\tau} = c \tanh \phi [/tex] (4)​

Note that the Lorentz factor is given by [itex]\gamma = \cosh \phi[/itex], and [itex]\gamma v = c \sinh \phi[/itex].

The hyperbolic version of the Lorentz transform can be used to transform to another inertial coordinate system (t', x') moving at velocity [itex]v_0 = c \tanh \phi_0[/itex] relative to the first:

[tex] dt' = dt \, \cosh \phi_0 \, - \, \frac {v_0 \, dx} {c^2} \sinh \phi_0 [/tex] (5)
[tex] dx' = dx \, \cosh \phi_0 \, - \, c \, dt \, \sinh \phi_0 [/tex] (6)​

This forum has problems uploading posts with many equations, so I will continue in the next post...
 
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Proof (part 2)

This post continues from the immediately prededing post

Now, from (4)
Substituting (2) and (3) we obtain

[tex] \frac {dt'}{d\tau} = \cosh (\phi - \phi_0) [/tex] (7)
[tex] \frac {dx'}{d\tau} = c \sinh (\phi - \phi_0) [/tex] (8)​

Thus it can be seen that the rapidity [itex]\phi'[/itex] relative to the new frame is given by

[tex] \phi' = \phi - \phi_0 [/tex] (9)​

This shows that rapidity is additive (just like Newtonian velocity). Furthermore

[tex] \alpha = \frac {d\phi'}{d\tau} = \frac {d\phi}{d\tau} [/tex] (10)​

so [itex]\alpha = d\phi / d\tau[/itex] is an invariant -- all inertial observers agree on its value.


This forum has problems uploading posts with many equations, so I will continue in the next post...
 
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Proof (part 3 of 3)

This post continues from the immediately prededing post

Now, from (4)

[tex] \frac {dv}{d\tau} = c \frac {d\phi}{d\tau} \, sech^2 \, \phi = c \alpha \, sech^2 \, \phi [/tex] (11)​

and so the coordinate acceleration is given by

[tex] a = \frac {dv}{dt} = \frac {dv/d\tau}{dt/d\tau} = c \alpha \, sech^3 \, \phi [/tex] (12)​

(Note that, although [itex]\alpha[/itex] is invariant, [itex]\phi[/itex] is not, so different inertial frames measure different coordinate accelerations.)

When the inertial frame is the co-moving frame, i.e. when v = 0, i.e. when [itex]\phi[/itex] = 0, we have

[tex] a = c \alpha [/tex] (13)​

This is, by definition, the proper acceleration of the particle at that event. The invariance of [itex]\alpha[/itex] means that the quantity [itex]c\alpha[/itex] is the proper acceleration at all other events -- choose the appropriate co-moving frame at each event along the particle's worldline.


Everything I've said so far applies to an arbitrary particle moving in a straight line in flat spacetime.

Uniform acceleration occurs when the proper acceleration is constant, i.e.

[tex] a = c \alpha = c \frac {d\phi}{d\tau} [/tex] (14)​

is constant, i.e.

[tex] \phi = \frac {a\tau}{c} [/tex] (15)​

Substitute this into (2) and (3) and integrate with respect to [itex]\tau[/itex] to get

[tex] t = \frac {c}{a} \sinh \frac {a\tau}{c} [/tex] (16)
[tex] x = \frac {c^2}{a} \cosh \frac {a\tau}{c} [/tex] (17)​

These are the standard equations for constant proper acceleration a.
 
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Thanks for taking the time to post a derivation Dr greg.

It is always nice to see a derivation from first principles. I guess in a way it does answer the question "why" in the context that if the first principles are accepted, then the derivation of the equations shows "why it must be so". :smile:
 
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Fredrik said:
I was a little confused by your answer at first, but now I see that you must have interpreted my question in a different way than I intended. You told me what the rocket would look like, but I was trying to ask what the world line of a rocket (of zero length) would look like (t as a function of x) and why. (The why is the part I'm having problems with). I think the Wikipedia page answers the "what" but not the "why".


The origin of the curves is in fact very elementary and beautifully shown in decent
treatments of the Poincaré group.

Repeated application of the operator in the middle where [itex]\epsilon[/itex] is a very
small number generates the hyperbolic path where [itex]\vartheta[/itex] is the increase
of the rapidity per unit of time:


Boost operator:

[tex]
\left( \begin{array}{c} x^0 \\ x^1 \\ x^2 \\ x^3 \end{array} \right) ~=~
\left(
\mbox{\Huge I} ~+~ \epsilon
\left(\begin{array}{cccc}
0 & 0 & 0 & 1 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
\end{array}\right) ~~
\right)^n
\left( \begin{array}{c} x^0 \\ x^1 \\ x^2 \\ x^3 \end{array} \right)
~=~
\left(\begin{array}{cccc}
\cosh(\vartheta t) & 0 & 0 & \sinh(\vartheta t) \\
0 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\
\sinh(\vartheta t) & 0 & 0 & \cosh(\vartheta t) \\
\end{array}\right)
\left( \begin{array}{c} x^0 \\ x^1 \\ x^2 \\ x^3 \end{array} \right)
[/tex]


This is very similar to the rotation operator where [itex]\phi[/itex] is the increase of
the angle per unit of time. Repeated application of the operator in the
middle gives the circular path defined by the sines and cosines.

Rotation operator:

[tex]
\left( \begin{array}{c} x^0 \\ x^1 \\ x^2 \\ x^3 \end{array} \right) ~=~
\left(
\mbox{\Huge I} ~+~ \epsilon
\left(\begin{array}{cccc}
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 1 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & -1 & 0 & 0 \\
\end{array}\right) ~~
\right)^n
\left( \begin{array}{c} x^0 \\ x^1 \\ x^2 \\ x^3 \end{array} \right)
~=~
\left(\begin{array}{cccc}
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & \cos(\phi t) & 0 & \sin(\phi t) \\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\
0 & -\sin(\phi t) & 0 & \cos(\phi t) \\
\end{array}\right)
\left( \begin{array}{c} x^0 \\ x^1 \\ x^2 \\ x^3 \end{array} \right)
[/tex]

This beautiful symmetry allows us to combine Lorentz transformations and rotations
to be handled by a single operator.


Regards, Hans
 
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Thank you DrGreg. That was awesome, and it completely answers my question. The explanation was very clear. I appreciate that you even took the time to explain rapidity. It's not a difficult concept, but I have never had a reason to learn it before.

Hans, thanks for explaining that. That's actually pretty cool.

Demystifier, thanks for the link. I only took a quick look at your article since Greg answered my question completely, but I have a feeling that it can answer some of the other questions I've been thinking about asking.
 
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Fredrik said:
Demystifier, thanks for the link. I only took a quick look at your article since Greg answered my question completely, but I have a feeling that it can answer some of the other questions I've been thinking about asking.
I guess you might ask similar questions that I asked myself some 10 years ago.
The answers to some of these questions may be also present here:
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/9904078 [Phys.Rev. A61 (2000) 032109]
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/physics/0004024 [Found.Phys.Lett. 13 (2000) 595]
 
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Demystifier said:
I guess you might ask similar questions that I asked myself some 10 years ago.
The answers to some of these questions may be also present here:
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/9904078 [Phys.Rev. A61 (2000) 032109]
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/physics/0004024 [Found.Phys.Lett. 13 (2000) 595]
Thanks. It's good to have all these links in the same thread, so that I'll be able to find them easily at any time. I'm not sure how useful these two will be right now because I feel that I understand the twin paradox extremely well and the rotating disc well enough too, but I'm sure you have considered some aspects of these problems that I haven't even thought about yet, so I'll definitely have a look at them.
 
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New question: Suppose we have a laser beam bouncing up and down between two mirrors located on the floor and the ceiling of a rigid accelerating rocket that has a constant proper acceleration. Suppose also that there are clocks next to the mirrors and a device that records the time (as measured by the nearest clock) at each reflection event. Will the measured times between consecutive reflection events on (say) the floor be constant?

(I don't think the answer is obviously yes. The "obvious" argument is that if it isn't, then the proper length of the rocket must be changing, and that contradicts the rigidity assumption. But is it obvious that we can measure "proper length" by timing a light signal even when the rocket is accelerating?)

As usual I'm looking for some sort of derivation, not just the answer, but feel free to just tell me the answer if you know what it is.
 
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Fredrik said:
The "obvious" argument is that if it isn't, then the proper length of the rocket must be changing, and that contradicts the rigidity assumption.
Actually, I was thinking the obvious argument was more like "symmetry under boosts", but I suppose that amounts to the same thing -- the entire setup is the same, it just occurs at a different place and orientation in space-time.

But is it obvious that we can measure "proper length" by timing a light signal even when the rocket is accelerating?)
I'd be mildly surprised if this procedure turns out to be the proper length! But we can compute:

Let's fix a concrete trajectory for the front and back of the rocket. I'll choose hyperbolas centered at the origin, and choose units so that c = 1 and everything works out. Let the tail of the rocket be given by the worldline [itex]x^2 - t^2 = 1[/itex] and the head of the rocket be given by [itex]x^2 - t^2 = 4[/itex]. (So the length of the rocket is 1)

Suppose we emit a photon from the tail at the event (0, 1). Its worldline is given by the equation x = 1 + t, and it arrives at the head at the event (3/2, 5/2). When it's reflected back, its worldline is x = 4 - t, which arrives at the tail at the event (15/8, 17/8).

Since the parametrization by proper time of the tail's worldline is [itex](t, x) = (\sinh \tau, \cosh \tau)[/itex], we find that the round trip time is [itex]\tau = \tanh^{-1}(15/17) \approx 1.39[/itex], as measured by the tail of the rocket.


Let's continue. :smile: The photon reflects again, with worldline x = (1/4) + t. This arrives at the head at the event (63/8, 65/8). The head's worldline is parametrized by [itex](t, x) = (2 \sinh (\tau / 2), 2 \cosh (\tau / 2))[/itex]. The times at the two photon strikes are:

[itex]\tau = 2 \tanh^{-1}(63/65) \approx 4.16[/itex]
[itex]\tau = 2 \tanh^{-1}(3/5) \approx 1.39[/itex]

for a round trip time of approximately 2.77.


Upon reflection (ha ha), I would have been very surprised if this procedure could measure the length of the rocket, since I knew the front clock would be running faster than the rear clock, so there's no way they could have agreed on the length of the rocket if they were measuring the round trip time experienced by a photon!
 
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Fredrik said:
New question: Suppose we have a laser beam bouncing up and down between two mirrors located on the floor and the ceiling of a rigid accelerating rocket that has a constant proper acceleration. Suppose also that there are clocks next to the mirrors and a device that records the time (as measured by the nearest clock) at each reflection event. Will the measured times between consecutive reflection events on (say) the floor be constant?

(I don't think the answer is obviously yes. The "obvious" argument is that if it isn't, then the proper length of the rocket must be changing, and that contradicts the rigidity assumption. But is it obvious that we can measure "proper length" by timing a light signal even when the rocket is accelerating?)

As usual I'm looking for some sort of derivation, not just the answer, but feel free to just tell me the answer if you know what it is.

Under the equivalence principle the time interval between consequative reflection events in the accelerating rocket will be constant because for example the measurements in a rcocket experiencing constant proper acceleration of 1g are no different to the measurements you would make in your living room. The measurement of the height of your ceiling in your living room (generally speaking) does not change over time and the same applies to the rocket. I am off course speaking about "proper" masurements made by an observer that is co-accelerating. An inertial observer in free fall would see the rocket or your living room as getting progressively shorter.

The "rigid" part of the constant proper acceleration is that the proper length remains constant within a relatively localised region according to the co-accelerating observer. An inertial observer on the other hand, measures length contraction of the height and time dilation of the accelerating clocks (coordinate measurements) and he sees then as continuously changing over time. The combined effect is that the length appears constant to the accelerating observer, but he will however see the ceiling clock as blue shifted relative to the floor clock just as you could in your living room with sensitive enough equipment.

P.S. I just noticed this comment by Hurkle
Hurkyl said:
Upon reflection (ha ha), I would have been very surprised if this procedure could measure the length of the rocket, since I knew the front clock would be running faster than the rear clock, so there's no way they could have agreed on the length of the rocket if they were measuring the round trip time experienced by a photon!
and just wanted to add this. If you measured the height of your living room by timing the round trip of a photon sent from the floor to the ceiling and back you would calculate a shorter height than that obtained by timing the round trip of a photon from the ceiling to the floor and back again, if you assumed the speed of light is c in both cases. The average of the measurements would be pretty close to that given by measuring rod.
 
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Good answers, both of you. Kev, that's a nice way to quickly find the correct answer.

Hurkyl, that was awesome. I wanted to do that exact calculation but I thought it would be more complicated, probably because I was considering two arbitrary hyperbolas with the same center instead of two specific ones. I checked all your calculations and I'm getting the same results. I also calculated the coordinates and the corresponding proper time of one more reflection event: t=255/32, x=257/32 (on the tail's world line), [itex]\tau\approx 2.77[/itex].

Let's call the emission event A, and the reflection events B, C, D and E (with higher coordinates in the original rest frame corresponding to letters later in the alphabet). The measured time between A and C is indeed exactly the same as the measured time between C and E.

[tex]\tanh^{-1}(15/17)=\tanh^{-1}(255/257)-\tanh^{-1}(15/17)\approx 1.39[/tex]

I also noticed that the measured time between B and D is exactly the same as the measured time between A and E. This must be a consequence of the fact that you chose the proper acceleration of the head to be exactly half the proper acceleration of the tail.

I didn't really mean that we could measure the proper length just by timing the light signals. I was thinking something similar to what Kev said, that if I do this in my house, the time for light to go from the ceiling to the floor and back to the ceiling again is always the same. If it isn't, my house is shrinking. It's also clear from the calculations that if we don't keep the proper length constant (i.e. if we change the shape of the world line of the head of the rocket) the time it takes for light to go tail-head-tail isn't always going to be the same. So the fact that the time between consecutive reflections at the tail is always the same is a consequence of the rigidity assumption (the requirement that the proper length stays the same in co-moving frames).
 
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Fredrik said:
Good answers, both of you. Kev, that's a nice way to quickly find the correct answer.

Thanks :smile:

It would be an interesting exercise to do the calculation for the head-tail-head round trip and see how it compares to the tail-head-tail round trip time you have already calculated. You may have to crank up the acceleration to make a readily noticeable difference. eg x^2-t^2=(1/4)^2 at the tail and x^2-t^2=(5/4)^2 at the head.


P.S. Upon reflection, you probably will not need to crank up the acceleration. Notice that the proper length of the section of the rocket under consideration is 1 and the proper round trip distance is 2 (as measured by a co-accelerating ruler). The tail-head-tail round trip time for a photon (~1.39 seconds) is considerably less than the 2 seconds you might calculate if you assume the speed of light is constant in an accelerating frame. The head-tail-head round trip time should therefore be noticeably greater than 2 seconds.
 
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kev said:
It would be an interesting exercise to do the calculation for the head-tail-head round trip and see how it compares to the tail-head-tail round trip time you have already calculated.
Actually, the only thing I added to Hurkyl's calculation was to add one more reflection event at the tail, making it tail-head-tail-head-tail. Hurkyl already calculated the head-tail-head round trip time. It's exactly twice the tail-head-tail round trip time, about 2.77 (vs about 1.39). This sounds reasonable given that the proper accelerations are 1 and 1/2.
 
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Errors and corrections

Just in case anyone gets puzzled by my proof in post #13, there was a typo in equation (5). The [itex]v_0[/itex] shouldn't be there -- just omit it.

(And, much less importantly, "Now, from (4)" should be omitted from the top of post #14. Of course, you all worked out that "prededing" should be "preceding".)
 
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Fredrik said:
New question: Suppose we have a laser beam bouncing up and down between two mirrors located on the floor and the ceiling of a rigid accelerating rocket that has a constant proper acceleration. Suppose also that there are clocks next to the mirrors and a device that records the time (as measured by the nearest clock) at each reflection event. Will the measured times between consecutive reflection events on (say) the floor be constant?
You might like to read the Notions of distance section in the Wikipedia article on Rindler coordinates, which gives a formula for radar distance.
 
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Hans de Vries said:
[tex]
\left( \begin{array}{c} x^0 \\ x^1 \\ x^2 \\ x^3 \end{array} \right) ~=~
\left(
\mbox{\Huge I} ~+~ \epsilon
\left(\begin{array}{cccc}
0 & 0 & 0 & 1 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
\end{array}\right) ~~
\right)^n
\left( \begin{array}{c} x^0 \\ x^1 \\ x^2 \\ x^3 \end{array} \right)
~=~
\left(\begin{array}{cccc}
\cosh(\vartheta t) & 0 & 0 & \sinh(\vartheta t) \\
0 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\
\sinh(\vartheta t) & 0 & 0 & \cosh(\vartheta t) \\
\end{array}\right)
\left( \begin{array}{c} x^0 \\ x^1 \\ x^2 \\ x^3 \end{array} \right)
[/tex]

Another way of expressing this is by saying that the family of Lorentz boosts

[tex]
\Lambda_{\phi} = \left(\begin{array}{cccc}
\cosh\phi & 0 & 0 & \sinh\phi \\
0 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\
\sinh\phi & 0 & 0 & \cosh\phi \\
\end{array}\right)
[/tex]​

is a one-parameter group with infinitesimal generator

[tex]
Z = \left(\begin{array}{cccc}
0 & 0 & 0 & 1 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
\end{array}\right)
[/tex]​

So we can write

[tex]
\Lambda_{\phi} = e^{Z\phi}
[/tex]​
 
  • #31
DrGreg said:
So we can write

[tex]
\Lambda_{\phi} = e^{Z\phi}
[/tex]​

Indeed :smile:

Regards, Hans
 
  • #32
  • #33
kev said:
That looks a LOT like the polar equation for a logarithimic spiral http://mathworld.wolfram.com/LogarithmicSpiral.html . Do you think there is any connection?
Note that Z is a matrix here...[tex]e^{Z\phi} ~=~ I~+~Z\phi ~+~ \frac{1}{2!}Z^2\phi^2~+~ \frac{1}{3!}Z^3\phi^3~+~ \frac{1}{4!}Z^4\phi^4~+~ \frac{1}{5!}Z^5\phi^5 ... [/tex]

But higher powers of Z simply become either Z or Z^2

[tex]Z~ = Z^3 = Z^5 = ... = \left(\begin{array}{cccc}
0 & 0 & 0 & 1 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
\end{array}\right)[/tex]

[tex]Z^2 = Z^4 = Z^6 = ... = \left(\begin{array}{cccc}
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 1 \\
\end{array}\right)[/tex]

and therefor:

[tex]e^{Z\phi} ~=~ I ~+~ \sinh(\phi)\left(\begin{array}{cccc}
0 & 0 & 0 & 1 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
\end{array}\right) ~+~ (\cosh(\phi)-1)\left(\begin{array}{cccc}
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 1 \\
\end{array}\right) ~=~ \left(\begin{array}{cccc}
\cosh\phi & 0 & 0 & \sinh\phi \\
0 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\
\sinh\phi & 0 & 0 & \cosh\phi \\
\end{array}\right) [/tex]
Regards, Hans
 

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