Equivalent definitions for the norm of a linear functional

In summary: The only sequence (x_n) I've managed to find so far isx_n(t) = \begin{cases} 0 & t \geq \frac{1}{n+1} \\ n(n+1)t & \frac{1}{n+1} > t > \frac{1}{n} \\ n(n+1)\left(\frac{2}{n}-t\right) & \frac{1}{n} \geq t > \frac{2}{n+1} \\ 0 & t \leq \frac{2}{n+1} \end{cases}which (I think) converges to \sqrt{2} in the
  • #1
AxiomOfChoice
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Can someone please explain why the following three definitions for the norm of a bounded linear functional are equivalent?

[tex]
\| f \| = \sup_{0 < \|x\| < 1} \frac{|f(x)|}{\| x \|},
[/tex]

and

[tex]
\| f \| = \sup_{0 < \| x \| \leq 1} \frac{|f(x)|}{\| x \|},
[/tex]

and

[tex]
\| f \| = \sup_{\| x \| = 1} \frac{|f(x)|}{\| x \|} = \sup_{\| x \| = 1} |f(x)|.
[/tex]

(Thanks to micromass for reminding me about the last equality.) Every book I have just asserts their equivalence but provides no explanation. Thanks!
 
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It is evident that

[tex]\sup_{0<\|x\|<1}{\frac{|f(x)|}{\|x\|}}\leq \sup_{0<\|x\|\leq 1}{\frac{|f(x)|}{\|x\|}}[/tex]We will now prove:

[tex]\sup_{0<\|x\|\leq 1}{\frac{|f(x)|}{\|x\|}}\leq \sup_{\|x\|=1}{|f(x)|}[/tex]

Let's assume that (xn) is a sequence with [tex]0<\|x_n\|\leq 1[/tex], and such that

[tex]\frac{|f(x_n)|}{\|x_n\|}\rightarrow \sup_{0<\|x\|\leq 1}{\frac{|f(x)|}{\|x\|}}[/tex]

Now, we put [tex]y_n=x_n/\|x_n\|[/tex]. Then [tex]\|y_n\|=1[/tex]. Furthermore:

[tex]|f(y_n)|=\frac{|f(x_n)|}{\|x_n\|}\rightarrow \sup_{0<\|x\|\leq 1}{\frac{|f(x)|}{\|x\|}}[/tex]

This proves that the inequality must hold.

We will now prove

[tex]\sup_{\|x\|=1}{|f(x)|}\leq \sup_{0<\|x\|<1}{\frac{|f(x)|}{\|x\|}}[/tex]

Assume that (xn) is a sequence such that [tex]\|x_n\|=1[/tex] and such that

[tex]|f(x_n)|\rightarrow \sup_{\|x\|=1}{|f(x)|}[/tex]

Now, we put [tex]y_n=\frac{n-1}{n}x_n[/tex], then [tex]0<\|y_n\|<1[/tex], and

[tex]\frac{|f(y_n)|}{\|y_n\|}=|f(x_n)|\rightarrow \sup_{\|x\|=1}{|f(x)|}[/tex]

This proves that this inequality must also hold.
 
  • #3
Either your book has a different definition of the operator norm, or there are some typos in the first post. The norm I'm familiar with can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operator_norm#Equivalent_definitions.

Let's call the norms

(1) [tex] \sup\{\|f(x)\| : \|x\| \leq 1 \} [/tex]

(2) [tex] \sup\{\|f(x)\| : \|x\| = 1 \} [/tex]

(3) [tex] \sup \left\{\frac{\|f(x)\|}{\|x\|} : x \neq 0\right\} [/tex]

(1) is equivalent to (2) because a linear functional on will attain its maximum on the boundary of the set, i.e., when [itex] \|x\|=1[/itex].

(2) is equivalent to (3) because f is linear, so cf(x) = f(cx). Then if x is nonzero, we have

[tex]
\frac{\|f(x)\|}{\|x\|} = \left\|f\left(\frac{x}{\|x\|}\right)\right\|
[/tex]

and [itex] \frac{x}{\|x\|} [/itex] has norm 1.
 
  • #4
these all look trivially the same just from the definition of linear.

i.e. if x is any non zero vector and c is any non zero scalar then f(cx) = cf(x),

so |f(x)|/||x|| = (c/c)(|f(x)|/||x||) = |f(cx)|/||cx||.

Thus |f(x)|/||x|| is constant on lines through the origin.

This proves immediately that all limits in all posts above are the same, since the sets of

quotients are all the same.
 
  • #5
micromass said:
It is evident that

[tex]\sup_{0<\|x\|<1}{\frac{|f(x)|}{\|x\|}}\leq \sup_{0<\|x\|\leq 1}{\frac{|f(x)|}{\|x\|}}[/tex]


We will now prove:

[tex]\sup_{0<\|x\|\leq 1}{\frac{|f(x)|}{\|x\|}}\leq \sup_{\|x\|=1}{|f(x)|}[/tex]

Let's assume that (xn) is a sequence with [tex]0<\|x_n\|\leq 1[/tex], and such that

[tex]\frac{|f(x_n)|}{\|x_n\|}\rightarrow \sup_{0<\|x\|\leq 1}{\frac{|f(x)|}{\|x\|}}[/tex]

Now, we put [tex]y_n=x_n/\|x_n\|[/tex]. Then [tex]\|y_n\|=1[/tex]. Furthermore:

[tex]|f(y_n)|=\frac{|f(x_n)|}{\|x_n\|}\rightarrow \sup_{0<\|x\|\leq 1}{\frac{|f(x)|}{\|x\|}}[/tex]

This proves that the inequality must hold.

We will now prove

[tex]\sup_{\|x\|=1}{|f(x)|}\leq \sup_{0<\|x\|<1}{\frac{|f(x)|}{\|x\|}}[/tex]

Assume that (xn) is a sequence such that [tex]\|x_n\|=1[/tex] and such that

[tex]|f(x_n)|\rightarrow \sup_{\|x\|=1}{|f(x)|}[/tex]

Now, we put [tex]y_n=\frac{n-1}{n}x_n[/tex], then [tex]0<\|y_n\|<1[/tex], and

[tex]\frac{|f(y_n)|}{\|y_n\|}=|f(x_n)|\rightarrow \sup_{\|x\|=1}{|f(x)|}[/tex]

This proves that this inequality must also hold.

Thanks; I like this proof a lot. And I think I understand the argument, provided I'm correct about this detail: "If A and B are sets, and there is a sequence of points in B that converge to [itex]\sup A[/itex], then we have [itex]\sup A \leq \sup B[/itex]." That's correct, right? Since [itex]\alpha = \sup B[/itex] only if there is a sequence of points in [itex]B[/itex] converging to [itex]\alpha[/itex].
 
  • #6
AxiomOfChoice said:
Thanks; I like this proof a lot. And I think I understand the argument, provided I'm correct about this detail: "If A and B are sets, and there is a sequence of points in B that converge to [itex]\sup A[/itex], then we have [itex]\sup A \leq \sup B[/itex]." That's correct, right? Since [itex]\alpha = \sup B[/itex] only if there is a sequence of points in [itex]B[/itex] converging to [itex]\alpha[/itex].

Yes, that is basically the idea of what I was trying to do :biggrin:
 
  • #7
if two sets if numbers are the same numbers , then their sups are also the same. done.
 
  • #8
Incidentally, my professor claims that if we define [itex](Tx)(t)= tx(t)[/itex] (just multiplication by the independent variable) on [itex]L^2[0,1][/itex] (square-integrable functions on [itex][0,1][/itex]), we have [itex]\| T \| = 1[/itex]. I get why we have [itex]\| T \| \leq 1[/itex], but I don't see how we can get [itex]\| T \| \geq 1[/itex]. Does anyone see this?
 
  • #9
The trick to prove [itex]\|T\|\leq\text{something}[/itex] is usually to find an upper bound of the set for which [itex]\|T\|[/itex] is the least upper bound. The trick to prove [itex]\|T\|\geq\text{something}[/itex] is usually to use that [itex]\|T\|[/itex] is [itex]\geq[/itex] every member of that set. So you should look for a specific member of that set that solves the problem. (I haven't actually done it for this problem).

By the way, my answer to the question in #1 is that if [itex]T:X\rightarrow Y[/itex] is a bounded linear operator, and we define

[tex]\begin{align*}
A &=\bigg\{\frac{\|Tx\|}{\|x\|}\,\bigg|\, x\in X,\ x\neq 0\bigg\}\\
B &=\bigg\{\frac{\|Tx\|}{\|x\|}\,\bigg|\, x\in X,\ 0<\|x\|\leq 1\bigg\}\\
C &=\Big\{\|Tx\|\,\Big|\, x\in X, \|x\|=1\Big\},
\end{align*}[/tex]

then A=B=C. So don't worry about the supremums. Just show that the sets are the same.

I realize that the question had already been answered (and that my answer is identical to mathwonk's), but I had this already LaTeXed in my personal notes.
 
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  • #10
Fredrik said:
The trick to prove [itex]\|T\|\leq\text{something}[/itex] is usually to find an upper bound of the set for which [itex]\|T\|[/itex] is the least upper bound. The trick to prove [itex]\|T\|\geq\text{something}[/itex] is usually to use that [itex]\|T\|[/itex] is [itex]\geq[/itex] every member of that set. So you should look for a specific member of that set that solves the problem. (I haven't actually done it for this problem).

Right; that's what I'm trying to do (so far, without success).
 
  • #11
Fredrik said:
The trick to prove [itex]\|T\|\leq\text{something}[/itex] is usually to find an upper bound of the set for which [itex]\|T\|[/itex] is the least upper bound. The trick to prove [itex]\|T\|\geq\text{something}[/itex] is usually to use that [itex]\|T\|[/itex] is [itex]\geq[/itex] every member of that set. So you should look for a specific member of that set that solves the problem. (I haven't actually done it for this problem).

By the way, my answer to the question in #1 is that if [itex]T:X\rightarrow Y[/itex] is a bounded linear operator, and we define

[tex]\begin{align*}
A &=\bigg\{\frac{\|Tx\|}{\|x\|}\,\bigg|\, x\in X,\ x\neq 0\bigg\}\\
B &=\bigg\{\frac{\|Tx\|}{\|x\|}\,\bigg|\, x\in X,\ 0<\|x\|\leq 1\bigg\}\\
C &=\Big\{\|Tx\|\,\Big|\, x\in X, \|x\|=1\Big\},
\end{align*}[/tex]

then A=B=C. So don't worry about the supremums. Just show that the sets are the same.

I realize that the question had already been answered, but I had this already LaTeXed in my personal notes.

Thanks :smile:
 
  • #12
Ok, I'm confused. If

[tex]
\| T \| = \sup_{x\neq 0} \frac{\| Tx \|}{\| x \|},
[/tex]

then to show we have [itex]\| T \| \geq 1[/itex], we need to show that there is a nonzero x such that the expression above is equal to 1. But this means

[tex]
\| Tx \| = \sqrt{\int_0^1 t^2 |x(t)|^2 dt} = \sqrt{\int_0^1 |x(t)|^2 dt} = \| x \|,
[/tex]

which implies

[tex]
\int_0^1 |x(t)|^2 (t^2 - 1)dt = 0.
[/tex]

But this can't be! On [0,1], [itex](t^2 - 1)[/itex] is negative, but [itex]|x(t)|^2[/itex] is positive! And there's no way the integral can be zero unless the product is positive in some places and negative in others! Am I wrong here?

My professor stated [itex]\| T \| = 1[/itex] without proof, so I can't imagine it's this hard...
 
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  • #13
...actually, now that I think about it, I guess it would be sufficient to come up with a sequence [itex]x_n(t) \in L^2[0,1][/itex] such that

[tex]
\frac{\int_0^1 t^2 |x_n(t)|^2 dt}{\int_0^1 |x_n(t)|^2 dt} \to 1.
[/tex]

Can anyone think of such a sequence? I can't really do it...:frown:
 
  • #14
Note that L^2[0,1] contains more than the continuous functions!

For every [itex]0<\epsilon<1[/itex], let [itex]A_{\epsilon}:=\{t\in[0,1]\ |\ t\geq 1-\epsilon\}[/itex]. It has finite Lebesgue measure [itex]\mu(A_\epsilon)=\epsilon[/itex]. Then, for [itex]f=\chi_{A_\epsilon}\in L^2[0,1][/itex] the characteristic function of this set, we have

[tex]\|f\|^2=\int_{1-\epsilon}^1 dt=\epsilon[/tex];
[tex]\|Tf\|^2=\int_{1-\epsilon}^1 |t|^2dt\geq \epsilon (1-\epsilon)^2[/tex].

Hence

[tex]\|T\|=\sup_{g} \frac{\|Tg\|}{\|g}\geq \frac{\|Tf\|}{\|f}\geq 1-\epsilon[/tex].

But 0<epsilon<1 was arbitrary, so [itex]\|T\|=1[/itex].

This argument can be generalized to prove that the multiplication operator

[tex]T_{\phi}:L^2[0,1]\to L^2[0,1][/tex]
[tex]f\mapsto f\phi[/tex]

has norm equal to the essential supremum of \phi. (Indeed, \phi(t)=t has (essential) supremum on [0,1] equal to 1.)
 
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  • #15
Landau said:
Note that L^2[0,1] contains more than the continuous functions!

For every [itex]0<\epsilon<1[/itex], let [itex]A_{\epsilon}:=\{t\in[0,1]\ |\ t\geq 1-\epsilon\}[/itex]. It has finite Lebesgue measure [itex]\mu(A_\epsilon)=\epsilon[/itex]. Then, for [itex]f=\chi_{A_\epsilon}\in L^2[0,1][/itex] the characteristic function of this set, we have

[tex]\|f\|^2=\int_{1-\epsilon}^1 dt=\epsilon[/tex];
[tex]\|Tf\|^2=\int_{1-\epsilon}^1 |t|^2dt\geq \epsilon (1-\epsilon)^2[/tex].

Hence

[tex]\|T\|=\sup_{g} \frac{\|Tg\|}{\|g}\geq \frac{\|Tf\|}{\|f}\geq 1-\epsilon[/tex].

But 0<epsilon<1 was arbitrary, so [itex]\|T\|=1[/itex].

This argument can be generalized to prove that the multiplication operator

[tex]T_{\phi}:L^2[0,1]\to L^2[0,1][/tex]
[tex]f\mapsto f\phi[/tex]

has norm equal to the essential supremum of \phi. (Indeed, \phi(t)=t has (essential) supremum on [0,1] equal to 1.)

You're right; this works. Thanks a lot Landau! I've also managed to think of the following example: If you look at [itex]x_n = \sqrt n \chi_{[1-1/n,1]}[/itex], I think this sequence has the property that [itex]\| Tx_n \| / \| x_n \| \to 1[/itex].
 
  • #16
Well, sure. It's basically what I just wrote, with epsilon=1/n, and a factor sqrt{n} (which seems unnecessary) in front of it.
 

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