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Here's how I've learned propagators, and how far I felt I understood them. For a shrodinger's equation
[tex]
i\hbar\partial_t\Psi = -\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\nabla^2 \Psi
[/tex]
the propagator is
[tex]
K(t,\boldsymbol{x},\boldsymbol{y}) =\int\frac{d^3p}{(2\pi\hbar)^3}\exp\Big(-\frac{i}{\hbar}\Big( \frac{|p|^2}{2m}t - \boldsymbol{p}\cdot(\boldsymbol{y}-\boldsymbol{x})\Big) \Big)
[/tex]
The way to use this propagator is this. For a given initial wave function [tex]\psi(\boldsymbol{x})[/tex] we can define a wave function into the future spacetime like this
[tex]
\Psi(t,\boldsymbol{y}) = \int d^3x\; K(t,\boldsymbol{x},\boldsymbol{y})\psi(\boldsymbol{x})
[/tex]
There are few remarks that should be made of this propagator. It satisfies following two equations.
[tex]
K(0,\boldsymbol{x},\boldsymbol{y})=\delta^3(\boldsymbol{x}-\boldsymbol{y})
[/tex]
[tex]
K(t_1+t_2,\boldsymbol{x},\boldsymbol{z}) = \int d^3y\; K(t_1,\boldsymbol{x},\boldsymbol{y}) K(t_2,\boldsymbol{y},\boldsymbol{z})
[/tex]
These are very pleasant features. The first one means that the wave function doesn't change in zero time when the time evolution is defined with the propagator. The second one means that the time evolution is associative in some sense. From the second equation it also follows, that if we want to study evolution from time [tex]t[/tex] to time [tex]t+\Delta t[/tex], we don't need to do any stuff with inverse propagations ([tex]t\to 0[/tex] and then [tex]0\to t+\Delta t[/tex]), but instead we can just take the direct propagation ([tex]t\to t+\Delta t[/tex]).
We can solve the differential equation satisfied by the wave function [tex]\Psi(t,y)[/tex] by studying the propagation with linear approximation of t. The result turns out to be precisly the Shrodinger's equation.
To get the propagator for Klein-Gordon equation it suffices to replace the energy term with a relativistic energy [tex]E_{\boldsymbol{p}}=\sqrt{|p|^2c^2 + (mc^2)^2}[/tex]. It is easy to see that the propagator
[tex]
K(t,\boldsymbol{x},\boldsymbol{y}) = \int\frac{d^3p}{(2\pi\hbar)^3}\exp\Big(-\frac{i}{\hbar}\Big( E_{\boldsymbol{p}}t - \boldsymbol{p}\cdot(\boldsymbol{y}-\boldsymbol{x})\Big) \Big)
[/tex]
also satisfies the two important equations. It is a small exercise to check, that studying time evolution of a wave function given by definition
[tex]
\Phi(t,\boldsymbol{y}) = \int d^3x\; K(t,\boldsymbol{x},\boldsymbol{y}) \phi(\boldsymbol{x})
[/tex]
gives a Klein-Gordon equation.
So far everything is fine, to me.
Then I've encounterd QFT and there this propagator of KG-field is modified by adding a factor [tex]1/(2E_{\boldsymbol{p}})[/tex]. I can immidiately make an important remark. This factor ruins the two equations, which were true for the previous propagators. The propagator does not become a delta function for zero time, so it allows propagations in zero time, and the time evolution of the wave function cannot be defined in the same way as it could be defined with the earlier propagators. Also this propagator is not associative in the same way as the earlier propagators were. It cannot be used in series.
Now knowing how to not use this propagator, I would like to know, how is it supposed to be used. What does this propagator even mean? All QFT-texts I have encountered somehow assume, that it is trivial that propagation amplitude is just propagation amplitude, but what is this propagation amplitude really? At least it is not the same thing it is with SE or with the KG equation (or in way I presented it with KG equation).
Some people have answered me, that the [tex]1/(2E_{\boldsymbol{p}})[/tex] factor has to be there to make the propagator Lorentz's invariant. Well it is so nice it is Lorentz's invariant, but what is this quantity that is now Lorentz's invariant?
The calculations with propagators in QFT are usually very abstract and complicated, and the matter is not improved by the fact, that I have no clue of what the quantity is that these calculations deal with.
This matter is also not improved by a fact that the mainstream view of the propagator without [tex]1/(2E_{\boldsymbol{p}})[/tex] factor seems to be, that this propagator is imcompatible with relativistic QM, because it would violate causality. (At least P&S explain it like this). Since the propagator gives solutions of Lorentz's invariant KG equation, it obviously is not violating causality.
I think this post is already too long like this, so I was forced to leave out some details. If you have problems with some specific mathematical claims I made, I'm ready to post more details. Just mention about it.
[tex]
i\hbar\partial_t\Psi = -\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\nabla^2 \Psi
[/tex]
the propagator is
[tex]
K(t,\boldsymbol{x},\boldsymbol{y}) =\int\frac{d^3p}{(2\pi\hbar)^3}\exp\Big(-\frac{i}{\hbar}\Big( \frac{|p|^2}{2m}t - \boldsymbol{p}\cdot(\boldsymbol{y}-\boldsymbol{x})\Big) \Big)
[/tex]
The way to use this propagator is this. For a given initial wave function [tex]\psi(\boldsymbol{x})[/tex] we can define a wave function into the future spacetime like this
[tex]
\Psi(t,\boldsymbol{y}) = \int d^3x\; K(t,\boldsymbol{x},\boldsymbol{y})\psi(\boldsymbol{x})
[/tex]
There are few remarks that should be made of this propagator. It satisfies following two equations.
[tex]
K(0,\boldsymbol{x},\boldsymbol{y})=\delta^3(\boldsymbol{x}-\boldsymbol{y})
[/tex]
[tex]
K(t_1+t_2,\boldsymbol{x},\boldsymbol{z}) = \int d^3y\; K(t_1,\boldsymbol{x},\boldsymbol{y}) K(t_2,\boldsymbol{y},\boldsymbol{z})
[/tex]
These are very pleasant features. The first one means that the wave function doesn't change in zero time when the time evolution is defined with the propagator. The second one means that the time evolution is associative in some sense. From the second equation it also follows, that if we want to study evolution from time [tex]t[/tex] to time [tex]t+\Delta t[/tex], we don't need to do any stuff with inverse propagations ([tex]t\to 0[/tex] and then [tex]0\to t+\Delta t[/tex]), but instead we can just take the direct propagation ([tex]t\to t+\Delta t[/tex]).
We can solve the differential equation satisfied by the wave function [tex]\Psi(t,y)[/tex] by studying the propagation with linear approximation of t. The result turns out to be precisly the Shrodinger's equation.
To get the propagator for Klein-Gordon equation it suffices to replace the energy term with a relativistic energy [tex]E_{\boldsymbol{p}}=\sqrt{|p|^2c^2 + (mc^2)^2}[/tex]. It is easy to see that the propagator
[tex]
K(t,\boldsymbol{x},\boldsymbol{y}) = \int\frac{d^3p}{(2\pi\hbar)^3}\exp\Big(-\frac{i}{\hbar}\Big( E_{\boldsymbol{p}}t - \boldsymbol{p}\cdot(\boldsymbol{y}-\boldsymbol{x})\Big) \Big)
[/tex]
also satisfies the two important equations. It is a small exercise to check, that studying time evolution of a wave function given by definition
[tex]
\Phi(t,\boldsymbol{y}) = \int d^3x\; K(t,\boldsymbol{x},\boldsymbol{y}) \phi(\boldsymbol{x})
[/tex]
gives a Klein-Gordon equation.
So far everything is fine, to me.
Then I've encounterd QFT and there this propagator of KG-field is modified by adding a factor [tex]1/(2E_{\boldsymbol{p}})[/tex]. I can immidiately make an important remark. This factor ruins the two equations, which were true for the previous propagators. The propagator does not become a delta function for zero time, so it allows propagations in zero time, and the time evolution of the wave function cannot be defined in the same way as it could be defined with the earlier propagators. Also this propagator is not associative in the same way as the earlier propagators were. It cannot be used in series.
Now knowing how to not use this propagator, I would like to know, how is it supposed to be used. What does this propagator even mean? All QFT-texts I have encountered somehow assume, that it is trivial that propagation amplitude is just propagation amplitude, but what is this propagation amplitude really? At least it is not the same thing it is with SE or with the KG equation (or in way I presented it with KG equation).
Some people have answered me, that the [tex]1/(2E_{\boldsymbol{p}})[/tex] factor has to be there to make the propagator Lorentz's invariant. Well it is so nice it is Lorentz's invariant, but what is this quantity that is now Lorentz's invariant?
The calculations with propagators in QFT are usually very abstract and complicated, and the matter is not improved by the fact, that I have no clue of what the quantity is that these calculations deal with.
This matter is also not improved by a fact that the mainstream view of the propagator without [tex]1/(2E_{\boldsymbol{p}})[/tex] factor seems to be, that this propagator is imcompatible with relativistic QM, because it would violate causality. (At least P&S explain it like this). Since the propagator gives solutions of Lorentz's invariant KG equation, it obviously is not violating causality.
I think this post is already too long like this, so I was forced to leave out some details. If you have problems with some specific mathematical claims I made, I'm ready to post more details. Just mention about it.
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