Doughnut-shaped Universe: Astronomers say Universe is small and finite

That's really interesting!In summary, Ulm University scientists have found evidence suggesting that the Universe is small and finite, and shaped like a 3-torus (doughnut). They used three techniques to compare predictions of the cosmic microwave background's temperature fluctuations in an infinite Universe and a doughnut-shaped one, and the doughnut gave the best match to the data. The team has even been able to estimate the size of the Universe to be 56 billion light years across. However, more data from the Planck satellite may be needed to confirm this finding. Other studies by Glenn Starkman and colleagues did not find evidence of torus topology, but further research is still ongoing. Additionally, there are experiments that suggest the Universe is flat
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SF
Ulm University scientists have found evidence suggesting that the Universe is small and finite, and shaped like a 3-torus (doughnut).

They used three techniques to compare predictions of how the cosmic microwave background's temperature fluctuations in different areas of the sky should match up in both an infinite Universe and a doughnut one. In each case, the doughnut gave the best match to the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe data.

The team has even been able to pinpoint the probable size of the Universe: 56 billion light years across.

http://www.kurzweilai.net/news/frame.html?main=/news/news_single.html?id=8758
 
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Thanks for spotting this SF!

The article in Nature is free, if anyone wants to read it
http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080523/full/news.2008.854.html

It is a news article written for general audience about a research paper that was posted last year on arxiv.

http://arxiv.org/abs/0708.1420
Do we Live in a "Small Universe"?
Ralf Aurich, Holger S. Janzer, Sven Lustig, Frank Steiner
(Submitted on 10 Aug 2007 (v1), last revised 8 Apr 2008 (this version, v2))

"We compute the effects of a compact flat universe on the angular correlation function, the angular power spectrum, the circles-in-the-sky signature, and the covariance matrix of the spherical harmonics coefficients of the cosmic microwave background radiation using the full Boltzmann physics. Our analysis shows that the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) three-year data are well compatible with the possibility that we live in a flat 3-torus with volume ~5x10^3 Gpc^3."

Notice that they don't claim to have proved it. They say that the 3-year WMAP data are COMPATIBLE with it being torus.
If they check it against the 5-year WMAP data they could well get a negative. More data may be able to rule out what they say.

Glen Starkman is something of an expert---has done a study of this very question that came up with negative finding. He says wait till we have data from the Planck satellite. It will provide a much more detailed map of the CMB. then we will see if the torus of that volume is still a possibility.
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About the numbers, their model is a cube with a volume 5000 cubic gigaparsecs
(and then identify the opposite faces of the cube so going out one side makes you reappear coming in the other side.)

so we have to take the cube root of 5000, and that will tell the length of the side of the cube
 
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Two articles by Glenn Starkman et al which did NOT find evidence of torus topology are

1. arXiv:astro-ph/0604616 [ps, pdf, other]
Title: Extending the WMAP Bound on the Size of the Universe
Authors: Joey Shapiro Key, Neil J. Cornish, David N. Spergel, Glenn D. Starkman
Comments: 9 pages, 16 figures
Subjects: Astrophysics (astro-ph); General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology (gr-qc)
2. arXiv:astro-ph/0310233 [ps, pdf, other]
Title: Constraining the Topology of the Universe
Authors: Neil J. Cornish, David N. Spergel, Glenn D. Starkman, Eiichiro Komatsu
Comments: Submitted to PRL
Journal-ref: Phys.Rev.Lett. 92 (2004) 201302

BTW if you take the cube root of the volume that paper gives you get that the SIDE OF THE CUBE has length 1709 Megaparsecs. Which is the same as 56 billion light years.
So I guess that is where the number 56 billion came from. It is the cube root of the volume that they give
 
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I'm sorry, I had to:

Homer Simpson would be very proud!

Other than that, this is very interesting stuff, even to a non-donut-fanatic such as myself.

Good find, both of you!
 
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That is very interesting , but i have read that the universe is flat. They carried out some experiment where they launched two beams from Earth and always addded up to 180 degrees a right trangle. Earth is the location of 90 degrees on a triangle
 
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th3plan said:
That is very interesting , but i have read that the universe is flat. They carried out some experiment where they launched two beams from Earth and always addded up to 180 degrees a right trangle. Earth is the location of 90 degrees on a triangle
You mean no matter the two beams shot at whatever direction?
 

FAQ: Doughnut-shaped Universe: Astronomers say Universe is small and finite

What is a doughnut-shaped universe?

A doughnut-shaped universe, also known as a toroidal universe, is a hypothetical shape of the universe in which the universe curves back on itself and connects at both ends, forming a shape similar to a doughnut or a torus.

How do astronomers know that the universe is small and finite?

Astronomers have studied the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMB) and observed that it appears to be evenly distributed in all directions, suggesting that the universe is finite and has a specific size. Additionally, they have measured the expansion rate of the universe and determined that it is not infinite.

Is a doughnut-shaped universe a commonly accepted theory?

No, a doughnut-shaped universe is not a commonly accepted theory. It is one of many theoretical models proposed by scientists to explain the shape and size of the universe. The current prevailing theory is that the universe is flat and infinite.

How big is a doughnut-shaped universe?

The size of a doughnut-shaped universe is unknown and is purely theoretical. Some models suggest that it could be similar in size to the observable universe, while others propose that it could be much larger.

Are there any other shapes that the universe could be?

Yes, there are several other theoretical shapes of the universe that have been proposed, including a saddle-shaped universe, a cube-shaped universe, and a dodecahedral universe. However, due to the vastness and complexity of the universe, its true shape and size are still a mystery.

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