Why are there not up and down quantum numbers?

In summary: The neutral pion is its own antiparticle because it can be either u \bar{u} or d \bar{d}, which are identical. However, the neutral kaon is not its own antiparticle because it is d \bar{s}, which is different from \bar{d} s. The reason for this is because the kaon eigenstates can mix through weak interactions, leading to two distinct eigenstates with different lifetimes. This mixing is described by an effective Hamiltonian and is related to the conservation of strangeness in strong interactions.
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Hi. I am a bit confused by the fact that there are quantum numbers related to every flavour of quark except the up and down. A consequence of this is that the neutral pion is it's own anti-particle while the neutral kaon is not. Why is this so?
 
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A neutral pion is either [itex] u \bar{u} [/itex] or [itex] d \bar{d} [/itex]. In either case, the antiparticle gives the identical thing (remember, order isn't important!).

A neutral kaon, on the other hand, is [itex]d \bar{s} [/itex], whose antiparticle is [itex] \bar{d} s[/itex], clearly not the same thing.

A caveat is that you can have the kaon as a superposition, like [itex] \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left( d \bar{s} \pm \bar{d} s \right) [/itex], in which case it IS its own antiparticle.
 
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You can assign either upness or downness as a quantum number. These flavor quantum numbers can be viewed as the remnants of an [itex]SU(N_f)[/itex] flavor symmetry that would be present in the absence of quark masses. Maximally breaking this symmetry via quark masses leaves the [itex]U(1)^{N_f-1}[/itex] symmetry associated to the flavors. Typically we choose the up quark to be neutral, with each other quark having charge one under a separate factor.

Edit: I should add that downness isn't such an interesting quantum number since the electric charge already distinguishes between the up and down quark (so no analogy of the neutral kaon as already pointed out.)
 
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Nabeshin said:
A neutral pion is either [itex] u \bar{u} [/itex] or [itex] b \bar{b} [/itex]...
I assume the latter is a typo, and what you meant was [itex] d \bar{d} [/itex].
 
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AdrianTheRock said:
I assume the latter is a typo, and what you meant was [itex] d \bar{d} [/itex].

ty :)
 
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the reason is simple; you don't call it up-ness or down-ness but isospin
 
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Nabeshin said:
A caveat is that you can have the kaon as a superposition, like [itex] \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left( d \bar{s} \pm \bar{d} s \right) [/itex], in which case it IS its own antiparticle.
You cannot have such superposition and the neutral Kaon can never be its own antiparticle! Because strong interaction conserves strangeness while the weak interaction does not, the neutral Kaon eigenstates with respect to these interactions are very different from each other; the strong-interaction eigenstates [itex]K_{0} \sim d \bar{s}[/itex] and [itex]\bar{K}_{0} \sim s \bar{d}[/itex] can MIX through weak transitions such as the one with two pions as intermediate state. In this [itex]K_{0}- \bar{K}_{0}[/itex] mixing, the [itex]\bar{K}_{0}[/itex] is the [itex]CP[/itex] conjugate of [itex]K_{0}[/itex],
[tex]|\bar{K}_{0}\rangle = CP|K_{0}\rangle .[/tex]
The mixing can be described by “effective Hamiltonian” having two eigenstates with very different lifetimes,
[tex]K_{S} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2(1 + |\epsilon |^{2})}}\{ (K_{0} + \bar{K}_{0}) + \epsilon (K_{0} - \bar{K}_{0}) \}[/tex]
[tex]K_{L} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2(1 + |\epsilon |^{2})}}\{ (K_{0} - \bar{K}_{0}) + \epsilon (K_{0} + \bar{K}_{0}) \}.[/tex]

Sam
 

FAQ: Why are there not up and down quantum numbers?

Why are there not up and down quantum numbers?

The up and down quantum numbers refer to the spin states of particles in quantum mechanics. These states are represented by the quantum numbers +1/2 and -1/2, respectively. The reason why there are not more "up" or "down" quantum numbers is because these two states fully describe the spin of a particle. Any further division would result in redundant information.

How are the up and down quantum numbers related to the spin of particles?

The up and down quantum numbers are directly related to the spin of particles. Spin is a fundamental property of particles and it can only take on two possible values, +1/2 or -1/2. These values correspond to the up and down quantum numbers, respectively.

Can particles have a spin state other than up or down?

No, particles can only have a spin state of up or down. This is a fundamental property of particles in quantum mechanics and cannot be changed or altered. Any other possible spin states would result in violation of the Pauli exclusion principle.

What is the significance of the up and down quantum numbers in quantum mechanics?

The up and down quantum numbers play a crucial role in describing the spin of particles in quantum mechanics. They help to distinguish between different particles and their properties, and they also play a role in determining the behavior of particles in certain interactions.

Is there a connection between the up and down quantum numbers and the direction of spin?

No, the up and down quantum numbers do not correspond to any specific direction of spin. They are simply two distinct states that a particle's spin can take on. The direction of spin is determined by the magnetic moment of the particle, which is related to its spin but is not directly connected to the up and down quantum numbers.

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