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Padmanabhan may have published his most brilliant, or misguided paper to date - http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.0505. This idea looks pretty solid to me.
I didn't look at it in detail, but it sounds like an interesting idea. It seems, naively, that it might be investigated through a better measurement of the polarization of the CMB, which will provide us more detailed knowledge of the nature of inflation.Chronos said:Padmanabhan may have published his most brilliant, or misguided paper to date - http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.0505. This idea looks pretty solid to me.
...In the second part, I describe a novel way of studying cosmology in which I interpret the expansion of the universe as equivalent to the emergence of space itself.
...His [Verlinde] theory implies that gravity is not a fundamental interaction, but an emergent phenomenon which arises from the statistical behavior of microscopic degrees of freedom encoded on a holographic screen.
It is therefore natural to think of the current accelerated expansion
of the universe as an evolution towards holographic equipartition. Treating the expansion
of the universe as conceptually equivalent to the emergence of space we conclude
that the emergence of space itself is being driven towards holographic equipartition.
in the overall cosmological evolution matter dominated phase is not of much significance since it again quickly gives way to the second de Sitter phase dominated by the cosmological constant. Viewed in this manner, the domain of conventional cosmology merely describes the emergence of matter degrees of freedom along with cosmic space during the time the universe is making a transition from one de Sitter phase to another.
In a way, the problem of the cosmos has now been reduced to understanding one
single number N closely related to the number of modes which cross the Hubble radius
during the three phases of the evolution..
I thank Dr. Sunu Engineer for several discussions and comments...
This idea looks pretty solid to me.
...consider a pure de Sitter universe with a Hubble constant H. Such a universe obeys the holographic principle in the form Nsur = Nbulk The Eq. (29) represents the holographic equipartition and relates the effective degrees of freedom residing in the bulk, determined by the equipartition condition, to the degrees of freedom on the boundary surface. The dynamics of the pure de Sitter universe can thus be obtained directly from the holographic equipartition condition, taken as the starting point.
Our universe, of course, is not pure de Sitter but is evolving towards an asymptotically de Sitter phase. It is therefore natural to think of the current accelerated expansion
of the universe as an evolution towards holographic equipartition…… we can describe the evolution of the accelerating universe entirely in terms of the concept of holographic equipartition.
the utter simplicity of delta V = delta t (Nsur − Nbulk)
Eq. (32) is striking and it is remarkable that the standard expansion of the universe can be reinterpreted as an evolution towards holographic equipartition. There is some
amount of controversy in the literature regarding the correct choice for this temperature.
One can obtain equations similar to Eq. (32) with other definitions of
the temperature but none of the other choices leads to equations with the compelling
naturalness of Eq. (32). The same is true as regards the volume element
V which we have taken as the Hubble volume; other choices leads to equations
which have no simple interpretation.
...The quantum fluctuations generated during the inflationary phase — which act as seeds of structure formation in the universe— can be characterized by their physical wavelength. Consider a perturbation at some given wavelength scale which is stretched with the expansion of the universe as λ ∝ a(t). During the inflationary phase, the Hubble radius remains constant while the wavelength increases...,
The Hubble radius is given by:Naty1 said:So the first two sentences are ok...but can someone explain the underlying logic from which I can understand why the 'Hubble radius remains constant'...yet wavelength is stretched as the scale factor [a] evolves?
I think it's time to quit this for today.
So a constant expansion rate H means a constant Hubble radius.
It's not, imo, so much a bold new idea as it is the synthesis of existing knowledge into a broader perspective.
Padmanabhan's been at this a lot longer than Verlinde, though; this paper from 2002 was the earliest of his on the subject I've been able to pull up on a quick search. Both Verlinde's and Padmanabhan's ideas, in turn, can be considered as part of the 'horizon thermodynamics' approach to gravity initiated in '95 by Ted Jacobson (see here), which in turn probably owes a debt to Sakharov gravity, proposed originally in 1967 (that's what Jacobson worked on just prior to his seminal 'Einstein Equation of State'-paper). Personally, I found his most recent paper to be quite illuminating.Naty1 said:Anyway, When I got to equations 30 to 31, I though "HEY this sounds like Eric Verlinde's ideas", and sure enough a quick check in Wikipedia shows:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropic_gravity
[I don't mean plagerism, just that the idea doesn't seem brilliantly original.]
In thermodynamics, heat is energy that flows between degrees of freedom that are not macroscopically observable. In spacetime dynamics, we shall define heat as energy that flows across a causal horizon. It is not necessary that the horizon be a black hole event horizon. It can be simply the boundary of the past… a null hypersurface. {so a Hubble sphere works.} Can derive the Einstein equation from the proportionality of entropy and [boundary] horizon area together with the fundamental relation _Q = TdS…This thermodynamic equilibrium relationship applies only when a system is in “equilibrium”, not where the horizon is expanding, contracting, or shearing. {Hence the restrictions on a static universe} In the case of gravity, we chose our systems to be defined by local Rindler horizons, which are instantaneously stationary, in order to have systems in local equilibrium. {Hence the choice of Rindler coordinates}
... Classical General Relativity knowthat [the] horizon area would turn out to be a form of entropy, and that surface gravity is a temperature...
Just wish I knew more math and cosmology so I could make an educated opinion on it.
Personally, I found his most recent paper to be quite illuminating.
The vacuum of quantum fields contains correlated fluctuations. When restricted to one side of a surface these have a huge entropy of entanglement that scales with the surface area. If UV physics renders this entropy finite, then a thermodynamic argument implies the existence of gravity. That is, the causal structure of spacetime must be dynamical and governed by the Einstein equation with Newton's constant inversely proportional to the entropy density. Conversely, the existence of gravity makes the entanglement entropy finite. This thermodynamic reasoning is powerful despite the lack of a detailed description of the dynamics at the cutoff scale, but it has its limitations. In particular, we should not expect to understand corrections to Einstein gravity in this way.
I'd love to, however, I'm a bit pressed for time at the moment... So the key idea is, roughly, that the entanglement entropy in QFT scales with the area rather than with the volume, like black hole entropy does. To get a rough idea about this, consider a universe permeated with some scalar field in a pure state, so the entropy is zero. Then, 'hide' some part of the universe from the rest, say a sphere, i.e. integrate out the degrees of freedom in that part. This will generate an entropy, which by direct calculation can be seen to scale with the area. This I think was originally shown by Srednicki. The wiki article gives some more insight on the issue of entanglement entropy.Naty1 said:Well if you, or anyone else, can highlight a few central ideas from that paper:
Gravitation and vacuum entanglement entropy
Ted Jacobson
(Submitted on 28 Apr 2012)
http://arxiv.org/abs/1204.6349
I'd sure appreciate it... I don't think I understood one paragraph...
Hello sunu! Thanks for joining into the discussion. Unfortunately, I don't have the time right now to think off and ask good questions, but if I get a few hours to spare to sit down with Prof. Padmanabhan's paper, I'll jump at the opportunity... Perhaps, seeing how I'm more familiar with Jacobson's work (and there, too, only an interested outside observer), you could point out some differences, and say a few words about what you think the most significant aspects of Padmanabhan's work are (I realize this is a lot to cover, perhaps you could just provide some pointers to get the discussion started). Again, thanks for joining in!sunu.engineer said:Hello, I am new to this forum and my name is Sunu Engineer. I am a cosmologist by profession and a student of Prof. Padmanabhan whose work is being discussed here. I am familiar with the work (over a very long period of time) and its evolution as well as the related work of Prof. Jacobson and Prof. Verlinde. Please feel free to ask any question that you may have. The work as all of you have indicated, while related to earlier work of Prof. Jacobson, has many important and novel aspects to it. It is also complete and consistent.
Regards
sunu
Unfortunately, while the Bekenstein-Hawking entropy has a definite upper bound, given by the Planck area, the entanglement entropy hasn't -- I can always go to smaller and smaller distances and find higher and higher modes that contribute. What Jacobson's now claiming, essentially, is that gravity, which emerges from the thermodynamics of the horizon (recall, what has entropy, also has temperature), serves to regulate this divergence (if I understand correctly).
...That causal horizons should be associated with entropy is suggested by
the observation that they hide information[3]. In fact, the overwhelming
majority of the information that is hidden resides in correlations between
vacuum fluctuations just inside and outside of the horizon[4]. Because of
the infinite number of short wavelength field degrees of freedom near the
horizon, the associated “entanglement entropy” is divergent in continuum
quantum field theory. If, on the other hand, there is a fundamental cutoff
length lc, then the entanglement entropy is finite and proportional to the
horizon area... {The cutoff seems to be on the order of Planck length}
Emergent gravity is a hypothesis proposed by physicist Thanu Padmanabhan that suggests gravity is not a fundamental force, but rather an emergent phenomenon that arises from the thermodynamic properties of space.
Padmanabhan's paper presents a new perspective on gravity and offers a potential solution to the long-standing problem of reconciling general relativity with quantum mechanics. It has sparked much debate and further research in the field of theoretical physics.
Traditional theories of gravity, such as general relativity, consider gravity to be a fundamental force that is a result of the curvature of spacetime. Padmanabhan's theory, on the other hand, suggests that gravity is an emergent phenomenon that arises from the underlying thermodynamic properties of spacetime.
While there is no direct evidence for emergent gravity, there are several key observations that support the idea. These include the holographic principle, which suggests that the information in a region of space is encoded on its boundary, and the fact that the equations for black hole thermodynamics are strikingly similar to the equations for thermodynamics in ordinary systems.
Padmanabhan's theory is still a subject of ongoing research and debate in the scientific community. While it has gained some support, it is not yet widely accepted as the definitive explanation for gravity. Further research and evidence will be needed to fully evaluate the validity of this hypothesis.