Constraint forces Definition and 18 Threads

  1. K

    A Virtual work of constraint forces in Hamilton’s principle

    Goldstein 2ed pg 36 So in the case of holonomic constraints we can move back and forth between Hamiltons principle and Lagrange equations given as ##\frac{d}{d t}\left(\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{q}_{j}}\right)-\frac{\partial L}{\partial q_{j}}=0## But the Lagrange equations were...
  2. deuteron

    Constraint force using Lagrangian Multipliers

    Consider the following setup where the bead can glide along the rod without friction, and the rod rotates with a constant angular velocity ##\omega##, and we want to find the constraint force using Lagrange multipliers. I chose the generalized coordinates ##q=\{r,\varphi\}## and the...
  3. deuteron

    I Constraint Forces and Lagrange Multipliers

    My question is about the general relationship between the constraint functions and the constraint forces, but I found it easier to explain my problem over the example of a double pendulum: Consider a double pendulum with the generalized coordinates ##q=\{l_1,\theta_1,l_2,\theta_2\}##,: The...
  4. Ahmed1029

    I Virtual work and constraint forces

    Suppose I'm considering a system of N particles that are constrained in their possible motions and so there are less that 3N generalized coordinates. Suppose now I perform a virtual displacement on one particle, which due to some constraints might force some other particles to more virtually...
  5. K

    A Hamilton's principle and virtual work by constraint forces

    Found a question on another website, I have the exact same question. Please help me Goldstein says : I do not understand how (2.34) shows that the virtual work done by forces of constraint is zero. How does the fact that "the same Hamilton's principle holds for both holonomic and...
  6. polytheneman

    D'Alembert's principle and the work done by constraint forces

    From what I understand, constraint forces do no work because they are perpendicular to the allowed virtual displacements of the system. However, if you consider an unbalanced Atwood machine, in which both masses are accelerating in opposite directions, you'll find that the tension force of the...
  7. Shivang kohlii

    Constraint relation in a pulley spring system

    Homework Statement How to apply constraints in the system to get a relationship between the displacements of block of mass m and pulley of mass M.? Homework Equations ∑T.a= 0 The Attempt at a Solution Assuming tension in both strings to be T . -T × a1 ( for the block) + 2T × a2 ( for the...
  8. H

    Complicated pulley system on an incline?

    Homework Statement Under the action of force P the constant acceleration of B is 6 m/s^2 up the incline as in figure. For the instant when B's velocity is 3 m/s up incline, what is the velocity of point C? How do I solve this using constraints? [/B] Homework Equations For a pulley system ΣT.v...
  9. A

    Tension on the rope (classical mechanics problem)

    Homework Statement The situation is that of Goldstein's problem 1.21 (or 1.19 in some editions): "Two mass points of mass m1 and m2 are connected by a string passing through a hole in a smooth table so that m1 rests on the table and m2 hangs suspended. Assume m2 moves only in a vertical line."...
  10. C

    I Lagrangian with constraint forces

    I am now reading Lagrange's equations part in Taylor's Classical Mechanics text. It says: When a system of interest involves constraint forces, F_cstr, and all the nonconstraint forces are derivable from a potential energy(U), then the Lagrangian for the system L is L = T - U, where U is the...
  11. amjad-sh

    Constraint Forces: Definition & Distinction

    what is meant by constraint forces? do they refer to the forces that are considered non conservative? how can I distinguish them from other forces?
  12. B

    On constraint forces and d'Alembert's Principle

    According to d'Alembert's Principle, the virtual work done by constraint forces must be zero. I have a few things needing to be clarified. First, as we know from friction, d'Alembert's Principle is not always true (friction usually does work, and is not normal to the constraint surface). On the...
  13. T

    Virtual work of constraint forces

    On a rigid body we usually use the formula δL=F*δP to calculate virtual work. My problem is about the force. This kind of force exists only before the contact. If I imagine a movement δP of the constrained body outside ,in the free space, I will have δL≥0 but as soon as P moves the force F...
  14. T

    Constraint Forces and Conservation of energy

    Suppose you are trying the solve the equation of motion of say a particle constrained to move on a surface f(x\vec{},t)=0. The equation of motion is: mx\ddot{} = F\vec{} + N\vec{}, where F is an known external force and N is the unknown constraint force. Now, when you assume that N always...
  15. U

    What are the constraint forces on a circle with a particle?

    when a particle is constraint to move on a circle, what are the constraint forces
  16. P

    Constraint Forces: Definition & Necessity

    the fundamental basis of the lagrangian formulation is the fact that the virtual displacement are perpendicular to the constraint forces so how does one define constraint forces? is it necessary for the virtual displacement consistent with the given constraints be perpendicular to the...
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