Functional derivative Definition and 34 Threads

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    A Is the functional derivative a function or a functional

    I am confused whether the functional derivative ($\delta F[f]/\delta f$) is itself a functional or whether it is only a function The Wikipedia article is not very rigorous https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_derivative but from the examples (like Thomas-Fermi density), it seems as if the...
  2. H

    Is My Understanding of Higher-Order Functional Derivatives Correct?

    (To moderators: although the question is mathematical, I post it in the physics forum because the definition and the notation are those used by physicists and because it comes from a QFT textbook; please move it if I'm wrong.) My issue with this question is that the textbook has neither defined...
  3. P

    I Definition of functional derivative

    In the book Quantum Field Theory for the Gifted Amateur, they define the functional derivative as: $$ \frac{\delta F}{\delta f(x))} = \lim_{\epsilon\to 0} \frac{F[f(x') + \delta(x'-x)) ] - F[ f(x') ]}{\epsilon} $$ Why do they use the delta function and not some other arbitrary function?
  4. J

    Doubt regarding functional derivative for the Thomas Fermi kinetic energy

    I have some doubts with respect on how the functional derivative for the kinetic energy in density functional theory is obtained. I have been looking at this article in wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_derivative In particular, I'm interested in how to get the...
  5. Q

    A Functional Derivatives in Q.F.T.

    I'm can't seem to figure out how to functionally differentiate a functional such as Z(J)= e^{\frac{i}{2} \int \mathrm{d}^4y \int \mathrm{d}^4x J(y) G_F (x-y) J(x)} with respect to J(x) . I know the answer is \frac{\delta Z(J)}{\delta J(x)}= -i \int \mathrm{d}^4y J(y) G(x-y) but I'm struggling...
  6. E

    A Variational derivative and Euler-Poincare equations

    Hi, I'm trying to understand the Euler-Poincare equations, which reduce the Euler-Lagrange equations for certain Lagrangians on a Lie group. I'm reading Darryl Holm's "Geometric mechanics and symmetry", where he suddenly uses what seems to be a variational derivative, which I'm having a hard...
  7. Q

    I What are the insights into the Total Derivative formula?

    I’ve always been confused by the formula for the Total Derivative of a function. $$\frac{df(u,v)}{dx}= \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}+\frac{\partial f }{\partial u}\frac{\mathrm{d}u }{\mathrm{d} x}+\frac{\partial f}{\partial v}\frac{\mathrm{d}v }{\mathrm{d} x}$$ Any insight would be greatly...
  8. Bishamonten

    Understanding functional derivative

    Homework Statement "The functional ## J[f] = \int [f(y)]^pφ(y)\, dy ## has a functional derivative with respect to ## f(x) ## given by: $$ \frac {δJ[f]} {δf(x)} = \lim_{ε \rightarrow 0} \frac 1 ε \left[ \int[f(y) + εδ(y-x)]^pφ(y)\, dy - \int [f(y)]^pφ(y)\, dy\right] $$ $$ =...
  9. U

    Functional Derivative with respect to Dirac Spinors

    Homework Statement I am currently working on an exercise list where I need to calculate the second functional derivative with respect to Grassmann valued fields. $$ \dfrac{\overrightarrow{\delta}}{\delta \psi_{\alpha} (-p)} \left( \int_{x} \widetilde{\bar{\psi}}_{\mu} (x) i \partial_{s}^{\mu...
  10. vishal.ng

    A Taylor series expansion of functional

    I'm studying QFT in the path integral formalism, and got stuck in deriving the Schwinger Dyson equation for a real free scalar field, L=½(∂φ)^2 - m^2 φ^2 in the equation, S[φ]=∫ d4x L[φ] ∫ Dφ e^{i S[φ]} φ(x1) φ(x2) = ∫ Dφ e^{i S[φ']} φ'(x1) φ'(x2) Particularly, it is in the Taylor series...
  11. naima

    B How do we obtain a Taylor expansion of a non-linear functional?

    Hi PF I try to understand how we get get a Taylor expansion of a non linear functional. I found this good paper here F maps functions to scalars. F[f] is defined. It has not scalars as arguments. I agree with A13 and A18. In another paper (in french) skip to page 9 the fisrt term is ##\int dx...
  12. binbagsss

    Chain rule / Taylor expansion / functional derivative

    Homework Statement To show that ##\rho(p',s)>\rho(p',s') => (\frac{\partial\rho}{\partial s})_p\frac{ds}{dz}<0## where ##p=p(z)##, ##p'=p(z+dz)##, ##s'=s(z+dz)##, ##s=s(z)## Homework Equations I have no idea how to approach this. I'm thinking functional derivatives, taylor expansions...
  13. E

    What is the solution for the attached equation?

    Good afternoon, i was just wondering if this equation is possibly solvable where I(z) is a function of z. The equation is: I(z)=cosh(1/2 ∫I(z)dz) I know it looks stupid but is it possible? How would you approach this problem? Thank you.
  14. Ravendark

    Functional derivative of effective action

    1./2. Homework Statement In my QFT lecture we were introduced to the 1PI effective action ##\Gamma[\varphi]## for a scalar theory (in Euclidean space-time). In one-loop approximation we've found \Gamma^{(\text{1-loop})}[\varphi] = S[\varphi] + \frac{1}{2} \operatorname{Tr} \log D^{-1} where...
  15. Ravendark

    Second functional derivative of fermion action

    Homework Statement [/B] Consider the following action: $$\begin{align}S = \int \mathrm{d}^4 z \; \bar\psi_i(z) \, (\mathrm{i} {\not{\!\partial}} - m)_{ij} \, \psi_j(z)\end{align}$$ where ##\psi_i## is a Dirac spinor with Dirac index ##i## (summation convention for repeated indices). Now I would...
  16. A

    Functional Derivative: Evaluating & Understanding

    In my textbook (see attached picture) there appears a functional derivative, but I honestly don't know how to evaluate a quantity like this. What should I do? I have tried to google but all I could find was how to take functional derivatives, where polynomials appeared under the integral, while...
  17. C

    Functional derivative of normal function

    I can't convince myself whether the following functional derivative is trivial or not: ##\frac \delta {\delta \psi(x)} \big[ \partial_x \psi(x)\big],## where ##\partial_x## is a standard derivative with respect to ##x##. One could argue that ## \partial_x \psi(x) = \int dx' [\partial_{x'}...
  18. Einj

    Question on functional derivative

    Hi everyone! I have a question on functional derivatives. I have a function defined as: $$ F[\{u\}]=\int d^3r \sum_{i=1}^3 \frac{\partial u_i}{\partial r_i}, $$ where u_i(\vec r) is a function of the position. I need to compute its functional derivative. To do that I did the following: $$...
  19. P

    Functional Derivative of Long Range Dipole Interaction Energy

    Homework Statement Dear all, Good day. I am currently working on the phase field modeling of ferroelectrics. For this reason, I need to find functional derivative of an expression as presented in attached picture 1. Then in picture 2, it shows the final form of equation that I am...
  20. R

    Functional derivative expansion (from Chaikin)

    I'm self studying Chaikin's Principles of Condensed Matter Physics. I'm trying to figure out how to go from (5.2.30) to (5.2.31). Homework Statement 5.2.30 is the one-loop approx. to the free energy. I'll denote G0^-1 from the book G ~ Integral(ln(G(phi(x))) 5.2.31 is (as far as...
  21. D

    Partial or Regular Derivative for Functional Derivative Stationary Value of 0?

    Hi, I have a question about a functional derivative. When determining the condition that the functional derivative have a stationary value of 0, do I use a partial derivative or a regular derivative? I would really appreciate the help. Thank you! David
  22. E

    Mastering Functional Derivatives in Quantum Field Theory

    Alright, so I feel kind of dumb...but: I have been working on some QFT material, specifically derivation of Feynman rules for some more simple models ( \phi^{4} for example), and I have been seriously failing with functional derivatives. Every time I try to use the definition I mess up...
  23. D

    What is the proof for the functional derivative formula in DFT?

    Hi, in their book ''Density-Functional Theory of Atoms and Molecules'' Parr and Yang state in Appendix A, Formula (A.33) If F ist a functional that depends on a parameter \lambda, that is F[f(x,\lambda)] then: \frac{\partial F}{\partial \lambda} = \int \frac{\delta F}{\delta f(x)}...
  24. S

    A simple functional derivative

    Hi! I am doing some numerical calculations recently. I need to calculate the functional derivative. eg. functional : n(\rho)=\int dr'r'\rho(r')f(r,r') it need to calculate: \frac{\delta n(r)}{\delta\rho(r')} I think the...
  25. S

    What is meant by functional derivative?

    What is meant by functional derivative? Thanks in well advance.
  26. P

    Functional derivative of connection with respect to metric

    I cannot work out the following functional derivative: \frac{\delta}{\delta g_{\mu\nu}} \int d^4 x f^a_{\phantom{a}b} \nabla_a h^b Where f is a tensor density f= \sqrt{\det g} \tilde{f} ( \tilde{f} is an ordinary tensor) and should be consider as independent of g. In my opinion this is not...
  27. Rasalhague

    Exploring Roger Penrose's Functional Derivative Notation

    Roger Penrose, in The Road to Reality, introduces the idea of what he calls a "functional derivative", "denoted by using \delta in place of \partial; "Carrying out a functional derivative in practice is essentially just applying the same rules as for ordinary calculus" (Vintage 2005, p. 487). He...
  28. A

    Proving Functional Derivative for Current Research - Alice

    For my current research, I need to prove the following: \int_0^1 \frac{dC(q(x) + k'(q'(x) - q(x)))}{dk'}\,dk' = \int_0^1 \int_L^U p(q(x) + k(q'(x) - q(x)))(q'(x)-q(x)) dx dk where C(q(x)) = \int_0^1 \int_L^U p(kq(x)) q(x)\,dx\,dk Here's what I've tried using the definition of functional...
  29. P

    Functional Derivative: Computing the d'Alembert Solution

    In the literature (Ryder, path-integrals) I have found the following relation for the functional derivative with respect to a real scalar field \phi(x) : i \dfrac{\delta}{\delta \phi(x)} e^{-i \int \mathrm{d}^{4} x \frac{1}{2} \phi(x) ( \square + m^2 ) \phi(x)} = ( \square + m^2 ) \phi(x)...
  30. J

    Chain rule with functional derivative

    Given that F = \int{f[h(s),s]ds} does \frac{\partial}{\partial h}ln(F)=\frac{1}{F}\frac{\delta F}{\delta h}=\frac{1}{F}\frac{\partial f}{\partial h} ?
  31. H

    Adjoint of functional derivative

    In the space of Riemannian metrics Riem(M), over a compact 3-manifold without boundary M, we have a pointwise (which means here "for each metric g") inner product, defined, for metric velocities k^1_{ab},k^2_{cd} (which are just symmetric two-covariant tensors over M)...
  32. H

    Adjoint of functional derivative in superspace

    In the space of Riemannian metrics Riem(M), over a compact 3-manifold without boundary M, we have a pointwise (which means here "for each metric g") inner product, defined, for metric velocities k^1_{ab},k^2_{cd} (which are just symmetric two-covariant tensors over M)...
  33. J

    Chain rule with functional derivative

    This is supposedly the chain rule with functional derivative: \frac{\delta F}{\delta\psi(x)} = \int dy\; \frac{\delta F}{\delta\phi(y)}\frac{\delta\phi(y)}{\delta\psi(x)} I have difficulty understanding what everything in this identity means. The functional derivative is usually a derivative...
  34. C

    Functional derivative: chain rule

    Hmm, I've been working with functional derivatives lately, and some things aren't particularly clear. I took the definition Wikipedia gives, but since I know little of distribution theory I don't fully get it all (I just read the bracket thing as a function inner product :)). Anyway, I tried...
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