Infinitesimal Definition and 143 Threads

  1. Agent Smith

    B The infinitesimal in Calculus

    Cobbling together a definition of the infinitesimal from bits and pieces of info gathered from books and the internet: The infinitesimal ##d## is the positive real number greater than ##0## but less than any other positive real number. My problem is how to express the above in logical...
  2. nomadreid

    I Monad in non-standard analysis

    Quick two questions: (a) In the hyperreals, is 0 considered an infinitesimal? (b) Does a monad include the real number? I seem to get contradictory answers in the Internet. Thanks.
  3. J

    I Integration with different infinitesimal intervals

    Some sources state a similar format of the following $$\int_a^{a+da}f(x)dx=f(a)da$$ Which had me thinking whether the following integration can exist $$\int_a^{a+dx}f(x)dx=f(a)dx$$ I have difficulty grasping some aspects about these integrations 1. Regarding the 1st integration, shouldn't ##a##...
  4. Sciencemaster

    B How to find the infinitesimal coordinate transform along a hyperbola?

    I've been told that the infinitesimal change in coordinates x and y as you rotate along a hyperbola that fits the equation b(dy)^2-a(dx)^2=r takes the form δx=bwy and δy=awx, where w is a function of the angle of rotation (I'm pretty sure it's something like sinh(theta) but it wasn't clarified...
  5. Baela

    A Infinitesimal Coordinate Transformation and Lie Derivative

    I need to prove that under an infinitesimal coordinate transformation ##x^{'\mu}=x^\mu-\xi^\mu(x)##, the variation of a vector ##U^\mu(x)## is $$\delta U^\mu(x)=U^{'\mu}(x)-U^\mu(x)=\mathcal{L}_\xi U^\mu$$ where ##\mathcal{L}_\xi U^\mu## is the Lie derivative of ##U^\mu## wrt the vector...
  6. C

    I Analyzing Infinitesimal Motion

    Hello everyone! I was wondering about this physics problem. First example: If a rocket is traveling in a straight line continuously in uniform motions from position 0 to position 1000 in 10 seconds then it will move through an infinite number of points. Since it is always changing position...
  7. M

    I Several Questions About Smooth Infinitesimal Analysis

    Hello. I read about smooth infinitesimal analysis and I have several questions: 1.What does "ε.1" and "ε.0" mean in this proof? (photo1) (https://publish.uwo.ca/~jbell/basic.pdf , page 5-6) 2. For what purpose do we use Kock-Lawvere axiom when we deal with law of excluded middle? (photo2)...
  8. M

    I Proving Continuous Functions in Smooth Infinitesimal Analysis

    Hello. How to prove that in smooth infinitesimal analysis every function on R is continuous? (Every function whose domain is R, the real numbers, is continuous and infinitely differentiable.) Thanks.
  9. M

    B Will we get an infinitesimal x when we neglect ##x^2## in ##x+x^2##?

    Hello. Let's assume that we have ##2x \Delta x + \Delta x^2##. When ##\Delta x## tends to zero we can neglect ##\Delta x^2## and we'll get ##2xdx##. Let's assume that we have ##x + x^2##. When ##x## tends to zero we can neglect ##x^2##. Will we get an infinitesimal ##x## as such as ##dx##? Thanks.
  10. C

    I Reasoning behind Infinitesimal multiplication

    Hello everyone! I have quite a bit of experience with standard calculus methods of differentiation and integration, but after seeing some of Walter Lewin's lectures I noticed in his derivation of change in momentum for a rocket ejecting a mass dm, with a change in velocity of the rockey dv, he...
  11. platypi

    Computing the infinitesimal generators for the Mobius transformation

    I don't know where to start. I understand that the constraint ##ad-bc=1## gives us one less parameter since ##d=1+bc/a##. So we can rewrite our original function. I know how to compute the generators of matrix groups but in this case the generators will be functions. I also know there should be...
  12. K

    A Take your time, and feel free to ask if something is still unclear.

    chapter 4.8 of Goldstein’s classical mechanics 3rd edition that deals with infinitesimal rotations, and the following is the part I got stuck: (p.166~167) : I'm not able to understand what the author is trying to say. How does "If ##d\boldsymbol{\Omega}## is to be a vector in the same sense...
  13. K

    A Exploring Infinitesimal Rotations in Classical Mechanics

    Can anybody please help me to understand that why under infinitesimal rotation ##x1## transforms in the way as shown in equation 4-100? This is from Goldstein's Classical Mechanics page chapter 5 and page 168 on the Kinematics of Rigid body motion.
  14. T

    B The infinite and the infinitesimal

    Over the years the following has continued to be my biggest question in Cosmology. In the past couple of years I wondered if we have got any closer to understanding whether our space is infinite or infinitesimal? (By infinitesimal I mean that there is no lower limit to the minimum separation of...
  15. iVenky

    B Mass Reduction in Combustion: Real or Myth?

    I have studied in high school that all chemical reactions obey conservation of mass, as the atoms are merely re-arranged, but when I read through special relativity, I was reading that you can show an infinitesimal change in mass (based on E=mc2) in combustion that's not noticeable that's being...
  16. K

    I Infinitesimal Movement Along 3-d Geodesics

    I would like to determine how a point (xo,yo,zo) moves along a geodesic on a three dimensional graph when it initially starts moving in a direction according to a unit vector <vxo,vyo,vzo>. So, if I start at that point, after a very small amount of time, what is its new coordinate (x1,y1,z1) and...
  17. Another

    I I don't understand about infinitesimal translation

    and But The infinitesimal translation denoted by equ 1.6.12 and 1.6.32 And then i understand about equation 1.6.35 but equation 1.6.36 Why they take limit N go to inf ? , multiply 1/ N ? and power N ? So is the relationship below still true? ## F(Δ x'\hat{x}) = 1 - \frac{i p_x \dot{} Δ...
  18. Leo Liu

    Questions about infinitesimal changes in a mechanics problem

    While reading Kleppner's book, I came across the question above whose solution given by an answer book, is shown below. I wrote out an equation for inward force and another equation for horizontal forces: $$\begin{cases} f_{\Delta \theta}=\mu N=\mu \frac{\Delta\theta} 2 (T+T'),\text{ where T'...
  19. E

    Direction of an infinitesimal rotation?

    I had a question from the magnetic dipole thread that was posted earlier today, but it's a bit more mundane. The torque on a magnetic dipole, using a right handed cross product is ##\vec{\tau} = \vec{\mu} \times \vec{B}##. The work done during a rotation is $$W = \int \vec{F} \cdot d\vec{r} =...
  20. D

    Finite rotations and infinitesimal rotations

    Hi I am using Kleppner and it states that finite rotations do not commute but infinitesimal rotations do commute. I follow the logic in the book but i don't understand the concept. Surely a finite rotation consists of many , many infinitesimal rotations and if they commute why doesn't the finite...
  21. S

    Infinitesimal coordinate transformation of the metric

    I kinda know how to do this problem, it is just that I hit a sign problem. If I take the partial derivative of the coordinate transformation with respect to ##x'^\mu##, I get writing it first in the inverse form, ##x^\alpha = x'^\alpha - \epsilon^\alpha## ##\frac{\partial x^\alpha}{\partial...
  22. G

    I Finding an infinitesimal limit function

    I have the function: ##\sqrt{\left(\frac{x}{h}+1\right)^{2}+\left(\frac{y}{h}\right)^{2}}-\sqrt{\left(\frac{x}{h}\right)^{2}+\left(\frac{y}{h}\right)^{2}}## I would like to find an analytical solution, the equivalent function, in the limit of h approaching zero.Additional info which might be...
  23. Baibhab Bose

    Infinitesimal Perturbation in a potential well

    If I calculate ## <\psi^0|\epsilon|\psi^0>## and ## <\psi^0|-\epsilon|\psi^0>## separately and then add, the correction seems to be 0 since ##\epsilon## is a constant perturbation term. SO how should I approach this? And how the Δ is relevant in this calculation?
  24. L

    I A random question comes to mind, about the infinitesimal area of rings

    I know the area of a thin ring of radius ##r## can be expressed as ##2\pi rdr##, however, I wonder if I use the usual way of calculating area of a ring, can I reach the same conclusion? I got this: $$4\pi(r+dr)^2-4\pi r^2=4\pi r^2+8\pi rdr+4\pi (dr)^2-4\pi r^2=8\pi rdr+4\pi (dr)^2$$And now I'm...
  25. A

    I Variation of geometrical quantities under infinitesimal deformation

    This question is about 2-d surfaces embedded inR3It's easy to find information on how the metric tensor changes when $$x_{\mu}\rightarrow x_{\mu}+\varepsilon\xi(x)$$ So, what about the variation of the second fundamental form, the Gauss and the mean curvature? how they change? I found some...
  26. S

    The Effects of Incredibly Small Inertia on Acceleration: A Scientific Inquiry

    I have a question about inertia (as in mass and Newton's first law) being extremely small. Now, say the inertia of an object is, say, 0.00000000000000000000005 kilograms, or something like that. Would a light, weak force exerted on the object accelerate the object to high speeds, or would it...
  27. D

    I Relation Between Cross Product and Infinitesimal Rotations

    Looking into the infinitesimal view of rotations from Lie, I noticed that the vector cross product can be written in terms of the generators of the rotation group SO(3). For example: $$\vec{\mathbf{A}} \times \vec{\mathbf{B}} = (A^T \cdot J_x \cdot B) \>\> \hat{i} + (A^T \cdot J_y \cdot B)...
  28. L

    B Line Integral, Dot Product Confusion

    From my interpretation of this problem (image attached), the force applied to the point charge is equal and opposite to the repulsive Coulomb force that that point charge is experiencing due to the presence of the other point charge so that the point charge may be moved at a constant velocity. I...
  29. H

    Generators of infinitesimal transforms from Goldstein (1965)

    This is a two part question. I will write out the second part tomorrow. I will be referring to pages 258-263 in Goldstein (1965) about infinitesimal transformations. Eqn 8-66 specifies that δu=ε[u,G], where u is a scalar function and G is the generator of the transform. How do I find the...
  30. H

    MHB Why is infinitesimal considered a number in mathematics?

    Why infinitesimal is a "number"?!
  31. binbagsss

    Infinitesimal form of the Lorentz Transformation

    Homework Statement attached: Homework Equations where ##J_{yz} ## is The Attempt at a Solution [/B] In a previous question have exponentiated the generator ##J_{yz}## to show it is the generator of rotation around the ##x## axis via trig expansions so ##\Phi(t,x,y,z) \to \Phi(t,x,y cos...
  32. Fullmetal_Potato

    Infinite pressure on infinitesimal area?

    So for a story I'm writing, there is a character with the ability to absorb force and store it (the force never impacts but its absorption works like pausing a movie). The force can be released (or resumed) through use of a circular space called a "rune". The character can control the size/area...
  33. ytht100

    Infinitesimal, Snell's law, and ray tracing

    With FIXED SOURCE AND RECEIVER, I have a light incident from fluid 1 with velocity v1 into fluid 2 with velocity v2. Obviously, according to Snell's law, v1/v2=sin(alpha1)/sin(alpha2), where alpha1 and alpha2 are the angles with regard to the vertical line. My question is: how to calculate...
  34. Aleoa

    Pressure formula and infinitesimal

    I'm studing classical physics and I'm stuck with the simple pressure formula defined as: P=\frac{dF_{\perp }}{dS} Now, i know some calculus and the concept of infinitesimal in physics; however what i don't understand is : 1) according with the fact that in Calculus dF_{\perp } represent an...
  35. Gene Naden

    A Inverse of infinitesimal Lorentz transformation

    I am working through Lessons in Particle Physics by Luis Anchordoqui and Francis Halzen. The link is https://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0906/0906.1271v2.pdf. I am on page 21. Between equations (1.5.53) and (1.5.54), the authors make the following statement: ##S^\dagger ( \Lambda ) = \gamma ^0...
  36. G

    Law of the lever without (infinitesimal) displacements

    Hi. Usually the law of the lever or similar force laws for simple machines are derived using $$W_1=F_1\cdot s_1=F_2\cdot s_2=W_2\enspace,$$ sometimes called "Golden Rule of Mechanics". However, these force laws also hold in the static case where no work is done. Is it possible to derive the law...
  37. mertcan

    I Derivative of infinitesimal value

    Hi, it may be interesting question but what is the d (dy)/dx (y is function of x)? I think it is nearly zero but if it is 0 then how can we prove it?
  38. T

    I Can Infinitesimal Volumes Be Arbitrary Shapes?

    In physics we often use objects with infinitesimal volume. An example is the infinitesimal volumes that we use to calculate the electrostatic field knowing the charge distribution. Very often in the books i studied these infinitesimal elements are represented as infinitesimal cubes. My question...
  39. J

    I Finite and infinitesimal Rotations

    Hi, I'm not sure about where I should post this question, so sorry in advance if I posted it in the wrong place. My question is basically this screenshot. So I really have some difficulty in understanding the two equations. I mean how can it not be equal? I understand that rotations are...
  40. T

    I Help with infinitesimal transformation to finite transform

    <Moderation note: edited LaTex code> E.g. A rotation by a finite angle θ is constructed as n consecutive rotations by θ/n each and taking the limit n→∞. $$ \begin{pmatrix} x' \\ y' \\ \end{pmatrix} =\lim_{x \to \infty} (I + \frac{\theta}{n} L_z )^n \begin{pmatrix} x...
  41. davidge

    I Extending an infinitesimal operator

    I notice that in Quantum Mechanics when extending an infinitesimal operation to a finite one, we should end with the exponential. For example: (rf. Sakurai, Modern Quantum Mechanics) $$ D(\boldsymbol{\hat n}, d\phi) = 1 - \frac{i}{\hbar} ( \boldsymbol {J \cdot \hat n})d\phi $$ This is the...
  42. O

    I Epsilon-Delta or Infinitesimal: Which is More Rigorous?

    Background: mechanical engineer with a flawed math education (and trying to make up for it). I have recently read this statement (and others like it): "We shall also informally use terminology such as "infinitesimal" in order to avoid having to discuss the (routine) "epsilon-delta" analytical...
  43. V

    I Infinitesimal cube and the stress tensor

    The Cauchy stress tensor at a material point is usually visualized using an infinitesimal cube. The stress vectors (traction vectors) on opposite sides of the cube are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction. As a result, the infinitesimal cube is in equilibrium. However, when we derive...
  44. Q

    A Does an infinitesimal generator of acceleration exist?

    I am trying to determine what types of field theories have a Lagrangian that is symmetric under an Infinitesimal acceleration coordinate transformations. Does an infinitesimal generator of acceleration exist? How could I go about constructing this matrix?
  45. A

    B What are surreal numbers and how do they work?

    Hey guys! I have heard of this concept in various places and sort of understands what it attempts to do. Can anybody please explain it to me in more detail like how it works, how to notate it, and how to expand it to infinities and infinitesimals. Thanks in advance! Aakash Lakshmanan xphysx.com...
  46. J

    Gaussian integration in infinitesimal limit

    Homework Statement Given the wave function of a particle \Psi(x,0) = \left(\frac{2b}{\pi}\right)^{1/4}e^{-bx^2} , what is the probability of finding the particle between 0 and \Delta x , where \Delta x can be assumed to be infinitesimal. Homework EquationsThe Attempt at a Solution I proceed...
  47. T

    I Is space infinitesimal? Can it be divided unlimited times?

    Is space infinitesimal? By this I mean can it be divided an unlimited number of times? If we take a 1m ruler and divide it in 2 and we get a 50cm ruler How many times can we keep doing this? (disregard that the ruler is made of atoms) So for many years I have been told that the limit is the...
  48. E

    B Using infinitesimals to find the volume of a sphere/surface

    I've always thought of dxat the end of an integral as a "full stop" or something to tell me what variable I'm integrating with respect to. I looked up the derivation of the formula for volume of a sphere, and here, dx is taken as an infinitesimally small change which is multiplied by the area of...
  49. A

    Infinitesimal Lorentz transformations

    Homework Statement Show that an infinitesimal boost by v^j along the x^j-axis is given by the Lorentz transformation \Lambda^{\mu}_{\nu} = \begin{pmatrix} 1 & v^1 & v^2 & v^3\\ v^1 & 1 & 0 & 0\\ v^2 & 0 & 1 & 0\\ v^3 & 0 & 0 & 1 \end{pmatrix} Show that an infinitesimal rotation by theta^j...
  50. arpon

    I Infinitesimal area element in polar coordinate

    We know, that the infinitesimal area element in Cartesian coordinate system is ##dy~dx## and in Polar coordinate system, it is ##r~dr~d\theta##. This inifinitesimal area element is calculated by measuring the area of the region bounded by the lines ##x,~x+dx, ~y,~y+dy## (for polar coordinate...
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