mond Definition and 71 Threads

How do proponents of modified gravity explain the fact of observation of galaxies, the behaviour of matter in which does not require an explanation in the form of dark matter or modified gravity?

for over a century the weak field limit of general relativity is Newtonian, which when applied to galaxy rotation curves requires cold dark matter as Newtonian limit is too weak this recent paper arXiv:2408.00358 (gr-qc) [Submitted on 1 Aug 2024] Quasilocal Newtonian limit of general...

I’ve been reading about LCDM and MOND recently. And there have been reports of galaxies with little dark matter. I know the lack of dark matter in NGC1052-DF2 was shown not true afterwards. But if such a galaxy without dark matter is actually discovered, would this be sufficient to disprove MOND?

Is it possible that MOND might be standard gravity plus an additional force that is inversely proportional to distance. One that is also a property of matter? I ask, because viewing this way begs the questions: If two, then why not more, and if more then perhaps a series with a hope of...

How do we distinguish between the effect of dark matter and MOND with respect to flat rotation curves in galaxies? How would the shape of the rotation curve differ between the two?

In a dark matter hypothesis, wide binary stars should exhibit no dark matter phenomena since dark matter halos are so much bigger than pairs of distant gravitationally bound pairs of stars. But, in a MOND hypothesis, wide binary stars should be more strongly bound to each other than Newtonian...

Stacy McGaugh's blog post of 7-Apr-2023: A Few Words About the Milky Way left me gobsmacked. A "few" words? Ha! Here follows my "short" version... Stars in a galaxy don't have just a flat orbit around the galaxy centre. During their orbit they also do small oscillatory motions up and down in...

In MOND should two small masses placed at a great distance orbit faster than in Newtonian dynamics? Would it be theoretically possible to do this experiment in the solar system, or would the presence of the sun and earth be a problem?

Can you recommend papers and books to study MOND? I know that a lot of MOND theories have been ruled out by recent observations, so I don't know where to start without wasting time studying from outdated references. I know GR from Carroll's book and cosmology from "Physical Foundations Of...

I was glancing through https://arxiv.org/abs/1605.07458 I don't fully get why scale invariance kicks in below a certain acceleration. Is this because the centripetal force becomes constant? I do see that Newton's second law with the centripetal force included is scale invariant. This symmetry...

One poster is a strong promoter of Deur and Deur theory of how to get MOND out of GR via self-interaction and analogy to QCD. There is intense skepticism of Deur's approach, which has 0 citations other than the author. I saw this paper, High Energy Physics - Theory...

I saw 2 recent papers on MOND are they promising [Submitted on 21 Jul 2022] Noncommutative geometry and MOND Peter K.F. Kuhfittig Comments: 5 pages, no figures Subjects...

I found these papers, the first is that galaxies are fractal based on observation Fractal Analysis of the UltraVISTA Galaxy Survey Sharon Teles (1), Amanda R. Lopes (2), Marcelo B. Ribeiro (1,3) ((1) Valongo Observatory, Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, (2) Department of...

I read this article https://physics.aps.org/articles/v14/143 about this paper https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.127.161302 How potentially significant is this?

The astronomer Stacy McGaugh has become the most prominent public promoter of MOND (modified Newtonian dynamics) in recent years, on the grounds that it makes many successful predictions, yet according to the standard "LambdaCDM" (dark energy plus cold dark matter) paradigm, there's no reason it...

this paper, Testing the Strong Equivalence Principle: Detection of the External Field Effect in Rotationally Supported Galaxies Kyu-Hyun Chae1 , Federico Lelli2, Harry Desmond3, Stacy S. McGaugh4, Pengfei Li4, and James M. Schombert5 Published 2020 November 20 claims a 4 sigma...

Assuming that the dark matter problem is finally solved by some kind of MOND, how that would change the scene for quantum gravity?, how that would change the proposed/expected properties of the Graviton (massless spin 2 particle)?

Do gravitational lensing observations support the need for huge amounts of DM? If so, what do the MOND proponents say about that?

There is a new paper on a MOND simulation, and the participating institutes provide some credence. https://arxiv.org/abs/2002.01941 As I understood it, they have tested mainly against disk galaxies. However, shouldn't it be tested against ring, ellipse galaxies and nebulas , too? And a more...

I am reading an article written by Sanders and McGaugh In the article, the first equation is written as $$F = f(r/r_0)GM/r^2~~~(1)$$ where ##x = r/r_0## Then it goes like if $$f(x) = \begin{cases} 1 & \text{if } x <<1 \\ x & \text{if } x >>1 \end{cases} $$ So the equation becomes $$F =...

I have read about LISA Pathfinder. Can a satellite with gravitational test instruments, such as a torsional pendulum, test the MOND theory at L1 and L2? Maybe both MOND and dark matter are needed to explain velocities of some remote stars and the formation of large galactic structures.

I've been reading a lot about MOND, an alternate theory attempting to explain the rotation of galaxies without using dark matter. It claims that at large distances gravity is proportional to 1/r rather than 1/r^2. In the published article, there are countless experiments done providing evidence...

I have been reading this article https://tritonstation.wordpress.com/2018/10/05/it-must-be-so-but-which-must/ so why does Mond fit so well over dark matter models?

We had two papers yesterday making big claims in the realm of minimal BSM theory. http://arxiv.org/abs/1803.08907 Conformal symmetry: towards the link between the Fermi and the Planck scales Mikhail Shaposhnikov, Andrey Shkerin (Submitted on 23 Mar 2018) If the mass of the Higgs boson is put...

I have been working on a discovery that could explain galaxy rotation curve without dark matter or modification of Newtonian dynamics. However, I was unable to make any comment within this forum since this was unpublished work. However, the same discovery has been made independently by Kenneth F...

MOND theories are not very popular, but they don't seem to be going away. As I understand the original one, acceleration is a function of the amount of acceleration which would be predicted by Newton's Law. I saw a proposal recently (not yet published, hence I cannot give a reference) which...

in 2 recent papers by Lee Smolin and Erik Verlinde it is claimed that the scale of acceleration as required by various MOND theories is on the same order as the cosmological constant both researchers suggest that instead of cold dark matter, or even modified Newtonian dynamics, MOND-like...

Four principles for quantum gravity Lee Smolin (Submitted on 6 Oct 2016) Four principles are proposed to underlie the quantum theory of gravity. We show that these suffice to recover the Einstein equations. We also suggest that MOND results from a modification of the classical equivalence...

I’ve been reading various things on the internet about how Modified Newtonian Dynamics attempts to solve (or just model?) the “missing mass” problem in galaxies. It sounds more reasonable to me than hypothesizing conveniently undetectable dark matter. But I am wondering why they are using what...

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1508.04001v2.pdf Although i am not a proponent of MOND this paper gives an alternative to the missing baryons problem The colliding ‘Bullet Cluster’ is often adduced as strong evidence for DM, with the understood – 3 – implication that it is evidence for the...

I've read a lot of opinions and a lot of published pieces about the Bullet Cluster. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the Bullet Cluster doesn’t prove ΛCDM (it has far too much collision velocity for such a model) so much as as it disproves MOND. The argument seems to be: MOND can describe...

I am looking for pedagogical guides to fitting rotation curves with MOdified Newtonian Gravity. I want to study how to fit the luminosity data as well as the kinematic data. I have studied some published papers on MOND fits(Sanders, Mcgaugh, blok etc). But, they are not sufficiently elaborate...

I found a few curious arxiv papers by Alexandre Deur (via Twitter). Deur works in QCD. He explains QCD strings (flux line between quark and antiquark) as due to attraction between gluon field lines, ultimately due to gluon-gluon interactions. Phenomenologically this adds a linear term to the...

This paper appears to further the case for DM vs MOND http://arxiv.org/abs/1401.3162, A simple model linking galaxy and dark matter evolution.

Hello, I found same number of arguments and observation regarding dwarf galaxies which supports mond (modification of Newtonian dynamics) and generally same number of arguments and observational support for dark matter so why large number of physicist community is in favor of dark...

Mond uses the function μ ... Instead why not propose a scalar name it "dim" , a function of the location. Basic physics says:.........a=GM/r^2 but on the outer edge of our galaxy :...a=sqrt(GMa0)/r^1 So in general a=Cte/r^(dim-1), with dim=3 (for us, on a local scale on Earth mass is...

I wondered if MOND is still considered a possible alternative to cold dark matter? See section titled "Alternatives to dark matter" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_rotation_curveOne other question: when I play the galaxy rotation video it appears to me almost as if the arms are...

The relativistic pulsar-white dwarf binary PSR J1738+0333 II. The most stringent test of scalar-tensor gravity http://arxiv.org/abs/1205.1450

I'm trying to figure out the formula adjustment to Newtonian mechanics using MOND but I'm getting stuck. Wikipedia states: "Assuming that, at this large distance r, a is smaller than a0 so: μ × (a/a0) = a/a0" Why does 'a' being smaller than 'a0' get rid of μ?

Does the cosmological constant support MOND? The equation for critical density is as follows (in terms of mass rather than density): Critical density (90.4 x e54 gm) = matter (4.1 x e54 gm) + dark matter (20.6 x e54 gm) + dark energy/cosmological constant (65.7 x e54 gm). Most estimates...

Hey, I'm just curious, MOND (Modified Newtonian Dynamics) seems to have a character of field renormalization where G is a running constant. Is there something to this relationship? Does anyone know of a review article that discusses this (or at least an article that someone in...

First MOND was the first to predict the cosmic background radiation, as repeated in this recent article (2011) http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v106/i12/e121303 in its page 121303-3: Whereas the LCDM-1999 prediction was falsified (A1:2 = 1.8). Only after the WMAP data was known (A1:2 = 2.34 ±...

I was reading a recent paper on arXiv.org on a novel simulation of MOND, and surprisingly they addressed the Bullet Cluster, which I guess is one of the more serious problems for MOND. What was even more surprising was that they said this posed a problem for Lamda-CDM models as well. Here is the...

Consider a star of mass m at a distance r form the center of a circular disk galaxy. Newton's law: F = GM(r)m/(r^2) where M(r) is the amount of mass inside the radius r. If we consider a uniform galaxy then density (p) is p = M/L where L is the length = 2*pi*r. So M(r) = p*2*pi*r. Setting the...

Has anyone read and digested "Alternatives to dark matter: Modified gravity as an alternative to dark matter" by Jacob D. Bekenstein? http://arxiv.org/abs/1001.3876

I've read through a lot of the other MOND vs DM debate threads, but I was wondering whether or not this has been addressed: If observed abundances of deuterium place very tight constraints on \Omega_m being roughly .03 or so, wouldn't we have to posit DM as the other .27? To me, I think that...

I’ve been studying MOND and some of the ideas behind theories put forward to explain MOND. Based on this I’m now going to describe the simplest, but most critical concept that’s used to begin understand why Newton’s inverse square law breaks down. Dynamics won’t be considered since they are...

My question is this: Why are we (as a community) so eager to disregard modifying Newtonian Dynamics (MOND)? Of course it's incredibly accurate on macroscopic scales, but isn't science meant to be progressive? Since Zwicky's observation of galactic cluster rotation in 1922 and the...

An August 2006 article promoting MOND: http://discovermagazine.com/2006/aug/cover Is that theory any good?

I heard a general theory of relativity was constructed based on MOND rather than on Newton's law of gravitation. How well do the predictions of the MOND GR compare with the classical tests of GR (such as light bending)? Basically, is it in better or worse agreement with experiment than...