Reversibility Definition and 48 Threads

The principle of microscopic reversibility in physics and chemistry is twofold:

First, it states that the microscopic detailed dynamics of particles and fields is time-reversible because the microscopic equations of motion are symmetric with respect to inversion in time (T-symmetry);
Second, it relates to the statistical description of the kinetics of macroscopic or mesoscopic systems as an ensemble of elementary processes: collisions, elementary transitions or reactions. For these processes, the consequence of the microscopic T-symmetry is: Corresponding to every individual process there is a reverse process, and in a state of equilibrium the average rate of every process is equal to the average rate of its reverse process.

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  1. P

    I Why does reversibility require equilibrium?

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  2. E

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  3. bardia sepehrnia

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  4. J

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  5. F

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  6. H

    A Irreversible processes. Heat equation, diffusion equation

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  7. A

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  8. P

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  9. Alfredo Tifi

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  10. H

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  11. B

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  13. S

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  17. M

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  18. H

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  19. J

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  21. kelvin490

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  23. H

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  44. H

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  45. L

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  46. D

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  47. B

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