Variation of parameters Definition and 116 Threads

  1. Davidian

    Variation of parameter VS Undetermined Coefficients

    TL;DR Summary: Variation of parameter VS Undetermined Coefficients Hi all, Suppose we want to solve the following ODE 2y''+y'-y=x+7 with two different methods: undetermined coefficients and variation of parameters. The solutions to the homogeneous problem are given by y_1(x)=exp(-x) and...
  2. M

    A Variation of parameters, Green's functions, Wronskian

    Hi PF! I am trying to solve an ODE by casting it as an operator problem, say ##K[y(x)] = \lambda M[y(x)]##, where ##y## is a trial function, ##x## is the independent variable, ##\lambda## is the eigenvalue, and ##K,M## are linear differential operators. For this particular problem, it's easier...
  3. B

    ODE question: Understanding a step in the solution

    Homework Statement Hi there, I don't nee help with solving a question, so much as understanding a step in the provided worked solution. It's using variation of parameters to solve the ode y''+ y = g(t). I've attached the steps in the picture file, and the bit after the word 'Now' what are they...
  4. B

    Variation of Parameters to solve a second order ODE

    Homework Statement The question I am working on is the one in the file attached. Homework Equations y = u1y1 + u2y2 : u1'y1 + u2'y2 = 0 u1'y1' + u2'y2' = g(t) The Attempt at a Solution I think I have got part (i) completed, with y1 = e3it and y2 = e-3it. This gives a general solution to the...
  5. R

    What is the general solution for a DE involving cosh and sinh?

    Homework Statement Solve the DE by variation of parameters: y'' - y = cosh(x) Homework EquationsThe Attempt at a Solution I got m = 1 and m = -1 so y = c_1e^x + c_2e^{-x} + y_p y_p = u_1e^x + u_2e^{-x} The wonksian gave me -2 so u_1' = \frac{\begin{vmatrix} 0 & e^{-x} \\ cosh(x)...
  6. M

    A Green's Function and Variation of Parameters

    Hi PF! Given operator ##B## defined as $$ B[u(s)] = c u(s) - u''(s) - \frac{1}{2 s_0}\int_{-s_0}^{s_0}(c u(s) - u''(s))\, ds$$ I'm trying to find it's inverse operator ##B^{-1}##. The journal I'm reading states ##B^{-1}## is an integral operator $$B^{-1}(u(s)) =...
  7. terryds

    Solving Systems of Inhomogeneous Linear ODEs

    Homework Statement Determine the y_particular solution Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution I've tried this for hours but still don't get the correct value. This is what I get: The question is the same as the one I found from...
  8. S

    I Systematic Redshift: Exploring Mg II Uses

    Hi everyone, I am new to observations and observational terms! I am reading the paper "constraining the time variation of the fine-structure constant" by Srianand et. al in the section "constraining alpha with QSO absorption lines" there is a sentence saying "... rest wavelengths of MG II ...
  9. karush

    MHB -242.17.8 Solve y''-10y'+25y&=2e^{5x} by variation of parameters.

    $\tiny{242.17.8}$ 2000 $\textrm{Solve the given equation by variation of parameters.}$ \begin{align*}\displaystyle y''-10y'+25y&=2e^{5x}\\ \end{align*} $\textrm{the homogeneous equation:}$ \begin{align*}\displaystyle x^2-10x+25&=0\\ (x-5)^2&=0\\ x&=5\\...
  10. Eclair_de_XII

    Using variation of parameters to derive a general solution?

    Homework Statement "By choosing the lower limit of integration in Eq. (28) in the text as the initial point ##t_0##, show that ##Y(t)## becomes ##Y(t)=\int_{t_0}^t(\frac{y_1(s)y_2(t)-y_t(t)y_2(s)}{y_1(s)y_2'(s)-y_1'(s)y_2(s)})g(s)ds## Show that ##Y(t)## is a solution of the initial value...
  11. Cocoleia

    A Wronskian- variation of Params Problem

    Homework Statement y''-4y'+4y=(12e^2x)/(x^4) I am trying to solve this differential equation. I know you would use the variation of parameters method, and I am trouble with the wronskian. My solution manual doesn't actually use a wronskian so I can't verify my work Homework EquationsThe...
  12. M

    Variation of parameters: where is my mistake?

    Homework Statement Use the method of variation of parameters to find a particular solution Homework Equations https://flic.kr/p/NqhtyQ The Attempt at a Solution https://flic.kr/p/NicCbN [/B] Can some find my mistake? The answer is just suplosed to be - 2/3te^-t[/B]
  13. Kanashii

    Solve for the solution of the differential equation

    Homework Statement Solve for the solution of the differential equation and use the method of variation of parameters. x`` - x = (e^t) + t Homework Equations [/B] W= (y2`y1)-(y2y1`) v1 = integral of ( g(t) (y1) ) / W v2 = integral of ( g(t) (y2) ) / W The Attempt at a Solution [/B] yc= c1...
  14. H

    A Variation of Parameters for System of 1st order ODE

    Kreyszig Advanced Engineering Mathematics shows the variation of parameter method for a system of first order ODE: \underline{y}' = \underline{A}(x)\underline{y} + \underline{g}(x) The particular solution is: \underline{y}_p = \underline{Y}(x)\underline{u}(x) where \underline{Y}(x) is the...
  15. omar yahia

    Variation of parameters - i have different particular soluti

    i was trying to get a particular solution of a 3rd order ODE using the variation of parameters method the homogeneous solution is yh = c1 e-x + c2 ex + c3 e2x the particular solution is yp=y1u1+y2u2+y3u3 as u1=∫ (w1 g(x) /w) dx , u2=∫ (w2 g(x) /w) dx , u3=∫ (w3 g(x) /w) dx w =...
  16. Just_some_guy

    General Solution from Particular Solution

    Just a question about the theory of solutions to differential equations? Given a second order differential equation and two particular solutions y1 and y2, what is the best way to find the general solution? i.e variation of parameters or something else
  17. I

    MHB How to Find a General Solution Using Variation of Parameters?

    Use the variation of parameters method to find a general solution of $x^{2}y''+xy'-9y=48x^{5}$ $m^{2}-9=0$ $(m+3)(m-3)=0$ $m=3,-3$ $y_{h}=c_{1}x^{-3}+c_{2}x^{3}$ $W=6/x$ Don't really know how to do wronskian with latex so i didnt include the steps. But i need help with the rest of this. i...
  18. Remixex

    How Do I Solve a Second Order ODE with Non-Constant Coefficients?

    Homework Statement OK, this differential equation was technically created by me, because i need to clear my doubts. Y'' + sqrt(X)*Y' + X^3*Y=3sin(x) and actually just any initial conditions as long as the solution is something i can understand, let me expand my doubt further. I've never solved...
  19. j3dwards

    Variation of parameters (1st order)

    Homework Statement Find the general solution of the following equation: u(t): u' = u/t + 2t Homework Equations y' + p(x)y = Q(x)....(1) yeI = ∫ dx eIQ(x) + constant.....(2) The Attempt at a Solution I rearranged the equation to give: u' - u/t = 2t Then I considered the following...
  20. B

    How Does Changing the Right-Hand Side of the Matrix Affect the ODE Solution?

    Given a ODE like this: y''(t) - (a + b) y'(t) + (a b) y(t) = x(t) The general solution is: y(t) = A exp(a t) + B exp(b t) + u(t) exp(a t) + v(t) exp(b t) So, for determine u(t) and v(t), is used the method of variation of parameters: \begin{bmatrix} u'(t)\\ v'(t)\\ \end{bmatrix} =...
  21. S

    MHB Use Variation of Parameters to find a particular solution

    Can someone verify that my answer is correct ? Thanks in advance. Use Variation of Parameters to find a particular solution to $y'' - y = e^t$ Solution: $y_p = \frac{1}{2}te^t - \frac{1}{4} e^t$
  22. D

    A few queries on the variation of parameters method

    I've been reviewing my knowledge on the technique of variation of parameters to solve differential equations and have a couple of queries that I'd like to clear up (particularly for 2nd order inhomogeneous ODEs), if possible. The first is that, given the complementary solution...
  23. T

    Solve sine^x Variation of Parameters: y"+3y'+2y

    Homework Statement Solve by variation of parameters: y" + 3y' + 2y = sinex Homework Equations Finding the complimentary yields: yc = c1e-x + c2e-2x The Attempt at a Solution I set up the Wronskians and got: μ1 = ∫e-2xsin(ex)dx μ2 = -∫e-xsin(ex)dx The problem is that I have no idea how to...
  24. vanceEE

    How can I use variation of parameters to solve this equation?

    Homework Statement $$y'' - 2y = x + 1$$ Homework Equations $$ y_{o} = Ae^{√(2)x} + Be^{-√(2)x} $$ $$ v_{1}'e^{√(2)x} + v_{2}'e^{-√(2)x}\equiv 0 $$ $$ √(2)v_{1}'e^{√(2)x}-√(2) - v_{2}'e^{-√(2)x} = x + 1 $$ The Attempt at a Solution $$ v_{2}' = \frac{x+1}{-2√(2)e^{-√(2)x}} $$ $$...
  25. S

    Finding general solution to Euler equation via variation of parameters

    Homework Statement The problem is attached as TheProblemAndSolution.png, and everything is typewritten, so it should be easily legible (but you will likely need to zoom into read the text since the image's height is significantly larger than its width). Homework Equations Differential...
  26. H

    Variation of parameters- 2nd order linear equation

    Homework Statement solve 4y''-4y'+y=16et/2 Homework Equations v1= -∫ y2g/w v2= ∫ y1g/w The Attempt at a Solution http://imgur.com/gxXlfdH the correct answer is 2t^2 e^(t/2) instead of what i have though, i am not sure what i am doing wrong?
  27. FeDeX_LaTeX

    Y'' + y = f(x) - Variation of Parameters?

    y'' + y = f(x) -- Variation of Parameters? Homework Statement Use variation of parameters to solve ##y'' + y = f(x), y(0) = y'(0) = 0.##Homework Equations A description of the method is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variation_of_parametersThe Attempt at a Solution The complementary...
  28. alane1994

    MHB What is the general solution for a differential equation with a secant term?

    I was given the problem, "Find the general solution of the given differential equation." \(y^{\prime\prime}+9y=9\sec^2(3t)\) My work as follows, please let me know if this is correct and where to go from here. I have hit a roadblock of sorts. \(y^{\prime\prime}+9y=9\sec^2(3t)\)...
  29. G

    Matrix Inversion for Variation of Parameters

    I am working on the following problem: Can someone please show or explain the steps to invert the phi matrix? I've given it a few tries, but I can't reach what the book has for the answer. Please help! Thanks
  30. Sudharaka

    MHB Method of Reduction of Order and Variation of Parameters

    Hi everyone, :) One of my friends gave me the following question. I am posting the question and the answer here so that he could check his work. Question: This question concerns the differential equation, \[x\frac{d^{2}y}{dx^2}-(x+1)\frac{dy}{dx}+y=x^2\] and the associated homogeneous...
  31. fluidistic

    Variation of parameters applied to an ODE

    The ODE to solve via variation of parameters is ##(1-x)y''+xy'-y=(1-x)^2##. Knowing that ##e^x## and ##x## are solutions to the homogeneous ODE. Now if I call ##y_1=x## and ##y_2=e^x##, the Wronskian is ##W(y_1,y_2)=e^{x}(x-1)##. According to...
  32. fluidistic

    Variation of parameters for a second order ODE

    Homework Statement I must solve ##y''+2y'+2y=e^{-t}\sin t##. I know variation of parameters might not be the fastest/better way to solve this problem but I wanted to practice it as I never, ever, could solve a DE with it. (Still can't with this one). Though the method is supposed to work...
  33. S

    Solve by using variation of parameters

    x²y"(x)-3xy'(x)+3y(x)=2(x^4)(e^x) =>y"(x)-(3/x)y'(x)+(3/x²)y(x)=2x²e^x i don't know how to approach this problem because the coefficients are not constant and i am used to being given y1 and y2 HELP!
  34. iVenky

    Couldn't understand the proof for Method of variation of parameters

    Here's the proof that I read for method of variation of parameters- https://www.physicsforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=52267&stc=1&d=1351081780 What I couldn't understand is that how could one simply assume that u'1y1+u2'y2=0 and u'1y'1+u2'y'2=g(x) I just don't understand...
  35. N

    Question on assumptions made during variation of parameters

    I was recently trying to prove the variation of parameters formula for an nth degree equation, and I have come up with a question about the assumptions made during the derivation. During the derivation we assume that: u1'y1(k) + u2'y2(k) + . . . + un'yn(k) = 0 for k < n-1. It leads to the...
  36. ElijahRockers

    Method of Variation of Parameters

    Homework Statement y''-2y'+y = \frac{e^x}{1+x^2} Homework Equations u_1 = -\int \frac{y_{2}g(x)}{W}dx u_2 = \int \frac{y_{1}g(x)}{W}dx g(x) = \frac{e^x}{1+x^2} W is the wronskian of y1 and y2. The Attempt at a Solution The characteristic equation for the homogenous solution...
  37. F

    Variation of Parameters herupu

    Homework Statement y'' + y' = 4t Homework Equations Use Variation of parameters! The Attempt at a Solution So I get homo of: c1 + c2 e^-(t) From there I get a Wronskian of -e^(-t) Then I get variations 2t^2 and -4e^t(t-1) Then get the answer of 2t^2 + 4t - 4 Btu...
  38. T

    Solve With Variation of Parameters

    Homework Statement Find the particular solution to t^2 y'' - t(t + 2)y' + (t+2)y = 2t^3 given that y1 = t and y2 = tet are solutions. Also, require that t > 0 The Attempt at a Solution Rewrite the original equation as y'' - ((t + 2)/t)y' + ((t+2)/t^2)y = 2t So first I calculate the...
  39. T

    Solve With Variation of Parameters

    Homework Statement Find the particular solution to t^2 y'' - t(t + 2)y' + (t+2)y = 2t^3 given that y1 = t and y2 = tet are solutions. Also, require that t > 0 The Attempt at a Solution Rewrite the original equation as y'' - ((t + 2)/t)y' + ((t+2)/t^2)y = 2t So first I calculate the...
  40. T

    Solve Differential Equation Using Variation of Parameters

    Homework Statement Solve y''+25y=10sec(5t) Homework Equations NA The Attempt at a Solution I believe I have the correct answer for yp which is: 2/5log(cos(5t))cos(5t)+2tsin(5t) When I plug this into the Webwork field, it says it is incorrect. I checked my answer against...
  41. K

    Stuck on Variation of Parameters: Help with a Calculus Problem

    Hey ya'll! This is the equation under discussion: y'' - 2y' - 3y = x + 2 I'm asked to use the method of variation of parameters to determine a solution for this differential equation, but I reach a point where my the equations just look too ridiculous to continue. The point I have in...
  42. F

    Variation of parameters. unsure why my solution differs from professor's

    Homework Statement what is general solution of 2y'' - 3y' + y = ((t^2) + 1)e^tHomework Equations my particular solution is: (e^t) ((2/3)(t^3) + 6t -4)) prof particular solution is: ((1/3)(t^3)(e^t)) - 2(t^3)(e^t) + 9(te^t) The Attempt at a Solution here is how i solved , i hope this is ok to...
  43. A

    Solve 3rd order ode using variation of parameters

    Homework Statement Solve using variation of parameters y''' - 2y'' - y' + 2y = exp(4t) Homework Equations Solve using variation of parameters The Attempt at a Solution I got the homogenous solutions to be 1, -1, and 2. So, y = Aexp(t) + Bexp(-t) + Cexp(2t) + g(t) I got...
  44. R

    Variation of parameters to obtain PS of 2nd Order non-hom equation

    The question I'm trying to solve is: y" - 6y' + 9y = \frac{exp(3x)}{(1+x)} I formulated the Gen solution which are: y1(x) = exp(3x) and y2(x) = xexp(3x) I've then calculated the wronskian to get: exp(6x) I then went onto to use the variation of parameters formula, which is where...
  45. lonewolf219

    Why Are u and v Functions Zero in VOP for Homogeneous 2nd Order Equations?

    I just realized you can use variation of parameters (VOP) to solve for homogeneous 2nd order equations. I see it takes much longer to do so. But I was wondering why, if you use VOP, the u and v functions are 0. Is this because the coefficients of the homogeneous equation are constant, or...
  46. V

    4th Order Variation of Parameters

    Find the complementary solution of y^\left(4\right) + 2y'' + y = sint Homogeneous Form would be y^\left(4\right) + 2y'' + y = 0 r^4 + 2r^2 + r = 0 \rightarrow r(r^3 + 2r + 1) = 0 This is where I'm stuck. Once I find y_c(t) I should be able to finish the problem, but I'm having trouble at this...
  47. fluidistic

    Solving DE Using Variation of Parameters & Given Solution

    Homework Statement I must solve (1-x)y''+xy'-y=(1-x)^2 knowing that y=x is a solution if the right hand side is 0. I must use this fact in order to obtain the general solution to the DE Homework Equations Variation of parameters? The Attempt at a Solution I'm looking at...
  48. L

    Solving a DE: Variation of Parameters & Integration Issues

    I've picked up a bit more since my last problem. I need to solve the following DE: x^{2}\frac{dy}{dx}+x(x+2)y=e^{x} I decided to use variation of parameters, so I re-arranged it like so: \frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{e^{x}}{x^{2}}-(1+\frac{2}{x})y Then solved the homogenous DE...
  49. L

    Solving An Initial Value DE Using Variation of Parameters

    I need to find a solution to the following problem: (x^{2}-1)\frac{dy}{dx}+2y=(x+1)^{2} y(0)=0 I decided to try using variation of parameters. My teacher was unable to show any examples, and I'm having issues understanding the textbook. From what I see I need to get it onto this form...
  50. J

    Variation of parameters question

    Homework Statement Using the variation of parameters method, find the general solution of x^{2}y" - 4xy' + 6y= x^{4}sin(x) Homework Equations y_{P}=v_{1}(x)y_{1}(x) + v_{2}(x)y_{2}(x) v_{1}(x)'y_{1}(x) + v_{2}'(x)y_{2}(x)=0 v_{1}(x)'y_{1}(x)' + v_{2}'(x)y_{2}(x)'=x^{4}sin(x)...
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