243.12.5.27 - Verify vector identiy

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In summary, we discussed a problem regarding a set of points P (x, y, z) such that AP · OP − OA · OP = 2 − |OA|2, and showed that this set of points forms a sphere with center (x_A+x_O,y_A+y_O,z_A+z_O) and radius k. We also explored a more general problem with arbitrary distinct points O and A in the space.
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$\textsf{Write a complete solution.}\\$
$\textit{ok Let A be the point (1,2,3) and O the origin (0, 0, 0). }\\$
$\textit{Consider the points P (x, y, z) such that AP · OP − OA · OP = 2 − |OA|2.}\\$
$\textit{Show that the set of all such points is a sphere, and find its center and radius.}\\$

ok, will be dealing with this in the morning
but would like some suggestions?
 
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Re: 243.12.5.27

I would begin by expressing the given directed line segments in component form:

\(\displaystyle \vec{AP}=\left\langle x-1,y-2,z-3 \right\rangle\)

\(\displaystyle \vec{OP}=\left\langle x,y,z \right\rangle\)

\(\displaystyle \vec{OA}=\left\langle 1,2,3 \right\rangle\)

And then:

\(\displaystyle \left|\vec{OA}\right|=\sqrt{1^2+2^2+3^2}=\sqrt{14}\)

Now, consider the definition of the dot product:

\(\displaystyle \text{a}\cdot\text{b}=\sum_{k=1}^n\left(a_kb_k\right)\)

Can you proceed?
 
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Re: 243.12.5.27

Are you certain the given equation isn't:

\(\displaystyle \vec{AP}\cdot\vec{OP}-\vec{OA}\cdot\vec{OP}=2-\left|\vec{OA}\right|^2\) ?

On a side note, can you generalize such that $O$ and $A$ are arbitrary distinct points in the space?
 
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Re: 243.12.5.27

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$\textsf{the dot product $u\cdot v$ of vectors $u=\langle u_1, u_2, u_3 \rangle$}$
$\textsf{and $v=\langle u_1, u_2, u_3 \rangle$ is}$
$$u\cdot v=u_1v_1+u_2v_2+u_3v_3$$
 

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Re: 243.12.5.27

I suspected that vector magnitude was to be squared...makes for a nicer problem. ;)
 
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Re: 243.12.5.27

$\displaystyle \vec{AP}\cdot\vec{OP}-\vec{OA}\cdot\vec{OP}=2-\left|\vec{OA}\right|^2$
so since
$\displaystyle \vec{AP}=\left\langle x-1,y-2,z-3 \right\rangle$
$\displaystyle \vec{OP}=\left\langle x,y,z \right\rangle$
$\displaystyle \vec{OA}=\left\langle 1,2,3 \right\rangle$
then
\begin{align}
&\, \, \, \, \, \, \left\langle x-1,y-2,z-3 \right\rangle \cdot \left\langle x,y,z \right\rangle
-\left\langle 1,2,3 \right\rangle \cdot \left\langle x,y,z \right\rangle\\
&=[(x-1)x+(y-1)y+(z-3)z]-[x+2y+3z]\\
&=x^2-x+y^2-y+z^2-3z-x-2y-3z\\
&1^2-1+2^2-2+3^2-3(3)-1-2(2)-3(3)=\color{red}{ -12}
\end{align}
and also
\begin{align}
2-\left|\vec{OA}\right|^2=2-14=\color{red}{ -12}
\end{align}
the standard equation of a sphere is
$(x - h)^2 + (y - j)^2 + (z - k)^2 = r^2$
$\textbf{so |OP|^2=14=radius}$
$\textit{not sure about the radius??}$
 
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Re: 243.12.5.27

Let's look at where you should have:

\(\displaystyle x^2-2x+y^2-4y+z^2-6z=-12\)

Hint: Try completing the square on $x,\,y,\,z$. To better appreciate this problem, I do recommend exploring the more general problem I spoke of in post #3.
 
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Re: 243.12.5.27

MarkFL said:
Let's look at where you should have:

\(\displaystyle x^2-2x+y^2-4y+z^2-6z=-12\)

Hint: Try completing the square on $x,\,y,\,z$. To better appreciate this problem, I do recommend exploring the more general problem I spoke of in post #3.
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
&x^2-2x+y^2-4y+z^2-6z=-12\\
&x^2-2x+1+y^2-4y+4+z^2-6z×9\\
&=-12+1+4+9=2\\
&(x-1)^2+(y-2)^2+(z-3)^2\\
&=2\\
&=(\sqrt{2})^2
\end{align*}

radius=2
 
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Re: 243.12.5.27

karush said:
\begin{align*}\displaystyle
x^2-2x+y^2-4y+z^2-6z&=-12\\
x^2-2x+1+y^2-4y+4+z^2-6z×9&=-12+1+4+9=2\\
(x-1)^2+(y-2)^2+(z-3)^2&=2=(\sqrt{x})^2
\end{align*}

so is $\sqrt{2}$ the radius?

Yes, and I assume this is just a typo, but you want:

\(\displaystyle (x-1)^2+(y-2)^2+(z-3)^2=2=\left(\sqrt{2}\right)^2\)

Now, suppose we define:

\(\displaystyle \left(x_A,y_A,z_A\right)\) = point $A$

\(\displaystyle \left(x_O,y_O,z_O\right)\) = point $O$

And so we have:

\(\displaystyle \vec{AP}=\left\langle x-x_A,y-y_A,z-z_A \right\rangle\)

\(\displaystyle \vec{OP}=\left\langle x-x_O,y-y_O,z-z_O \right\rangle\)

\(\displaystyle \vec{OA}=\left\langle x_A-x_O,y_A-y_O,z_A-z_O \right\rangle\)

And then:

\(\displaystyle \left|\vec{OA}\right|=\sqrt{\left(x_A-x_O\right)^2+\left(y_A-y_O\right)^2+\left(z_A-z_O\right)^2}\)

Now suppose the given equation is:

\(\displaystyle \vec{AP}\cdot\vec{OP}-\vec{OA}\cdot\vec{OP}=k-\left|\vec{OA}\right|^2\) where $0<k$

We then find:

\(\displaystyle \left(\left(x-x_A\right)\left(x-x_O\right)+\left(y-y_A\right)\left(y-y_O\right)+\left(z-z_A\right)\left(z-z_O\right)\right)-\left(\left(x_A-x_O\right)\left(x-x_O\right)+\left(y_A-y_O\right)\left(y-y_O\right)+\left(z_A-z_O\right)\left(z-z_O\right)\right)=k-\left(\left(x_A-x_O\right)^2+\left(y_A-y_O\right)^2+\left(z_A-z_O\right)^2\right)\)

After some algebra, this becomes:

\(\displaystyle \left(x-\left(x_A+x_O\right)\right)^2+\left(y-\left(y_A+y_O\right)\right)^2+\left(z-\left(z_A+z_O\right)\right)^2=\left(\sqrt{k}\right)^2\)

And hence, the given equation describes a sphere with center \(\displaystyle \left(x_A+x_O,y_A+y_O,z_A+z_O\right)\) and radius $\sqrt{k}$. :)
 

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What is a vector identity?

A vector identity is an equation or statement that is true for all vectors. It is used to describe properties or relationships between vectors in a mathematical or physical system.

Why is it important to verify vector identities?

Verifying vector identities is important because it ensures the accuracy and validity of mathematical or physical theories. It also allows for the identification of any errors or inconsistencies in the equations being used.

How do you verify a vector identity?

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